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Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

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Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#41

No matter if you think we're in a bubble or if this valuation supports your view that we are in a bubble, at the end of the day we are all losers who have decided to spend our precious time on a Friday night glued to HN.

The "noprocrast", "maxvisit", and "minaway" settings in your profile are meant to help with that.

They're for limiting your max amount of time on HN in a single stretch. :)

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#42
In line with the rest of new State- and Fed-driven parasitic economy - out of control consumer spending, ever moar gov debt, zero interest rates, nobody makes anything in the US (gov spends 2bn of taxpayer money to send a robot to Mars but needs foreign companies to set up semiconductor fab in the country).

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#43

So what happens to global valuations once the world population starts shrinking? I also wonder what would happen if there was another significant war - surely peace cannot continue forever.

That's a long time out, maybe not in my lifetime (I'm mid thirties)

The population is not really the factor here, it's economic growth, which is connected to population.

Growth must slow eventually too. I'm not sure how long that would take or how we'll adapt.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#44
post #34

No matter if you think we're in a bubble or if this valuation supports your view that we are in a bubble, at the end of the day we are all losers who have decided to spend our precious time on a Friday night glued to HN.

It’s Saturday morning for me in Thailand right now. I’m gonna drive a bit around on the 2nd hand motorcycle I bought this week - my own very first motorcycle. Lots of fun!

Where ya at in Thailand?

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#45
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why must it come down? there is no gravity.

All bubbles pop eventually. I think there's little doubt crypto is a bubble right now. Maybe it pops tomorrow, maybe it goes on for years. I don't know, nobody really does.

If you value stocks based on book value + dividends and discounted cash flow, this bubble's been going on for almost a hundred years by now. We've just gotten used to the new multiples.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#46

I don't get how everybody is just making a killing right now. What goes up must come down? Are people going to get uber burned? Like somebody who put in 50% of their net worth today, and maybe it drops?

Prices go up because money flows in.

In a bubble (up to you to decide if this is a bubble) a lot of people end up very wealthy on paper, but they only keep what they manage to sell before the retraction. Sadly, a lot of people can't resist the urge to double down as prices get higher and higher, meaning they lose more on the way down than they thought they were risking on the way up.

> Like somebody who put in 50% of their net worth today, and maybe it drops?

YOLOing your net worth into stocks isn't something that happens in the real world very often, contrary to what you see on WSB. The only people doing that either have severe gambling problems, or small enough net worth that they feel like they don't really care if they lose it all because they can start over.

The weird thing about this bubble is everyone he gets rich on extreme gambles seems to want to post it for internet cred. Makes it look like everyone's doing it.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#47

I don't get how everybody is just making a killing right now. What goes up must come down? Are people going to get uber burned? Like somebody who put in 50% of their net worth today, and maybe it drops?

why must it come down? there is no gravity.

Isn't inflation the economic equivalent of gravity?

If an asset isn't growing faster than inflation, it's losing money. If there are other assets offering better risk/reward then money will flow to them and out of the inflated assets.

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#48
I am afraid that we might be on the verge of another dot com level bubble. It's interesting to see how one inflated asset is propping up another. Tesla - which rose by 1000% in 2020, bought bitcoin. Ark Invest Etfs - some of the biggest actively managed etfs, hold significant amount of Tesla, and with the profit generated from Tesla's phenomenal rise, they are investing more on bitcoin. I believe in the future of cryptocurrencies, but the current state of bitcoin is abysmal. It's slow, expensive and the hacky patches on top (lightning network) either haven't been widely adopted or are still buggy. This all seems so much like the pets.com of the dot com bubble era. Great idea but terrible implementation. https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2020/07/09/bitco...

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#49

ICE who owns the NYSE had a net income of $3Bn last year and is worth $68Bn - for context.

Not sure what the operating costs look like for Coinbase, but here's some napkin math based on just the Coinbase Pro exchange . They get roughly $200 per bitcoin trade. That's on both sides, so $400 per bitcoin transaction. Today was a slightly higher volume day but they did $1.6B in BTC-USD, so around ~30k bitcoin changed hands. 30k * 400 = $12Million Bitcoin is 1/3 of their volume (they have a lot of other crypto c…

"Coinbase generated $141 million of net income on $691 million in revenue for the first nine months of 2020, according to documents shared with investors."

Though 2021 will be higher, will it be 20x higher?

Re: Coinbase valued above $100B, ahead of direct listing

#50
post #22

No matter if you think we're in a bubble or if this valuation supports your view that we are in a bubble, at the end of the day we are all losers who have decided to spend our precious time on a Friday night glued to HN.

Covid makes it harder to be someone who has plans on a Friday night. Don't be so hard on yourself, it gets better.

I was thinking about writing that it gets better, but its too presumptuous when you dont know someone’s life circumstance.

If they aren’t of a mind stable enough to stay on this plane of existence, don’t not not stay.

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