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Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by notatoad »

Kaze404 wrote: post #83
notatoad wrote: post #56

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Some people haven't dealt with browser incompatibilities in the past. Not every developer comes from a webapp background, and electron is a platform to develop desktop apps. desktop app developers don't want to deal with polyfills and feature-detection in their platform.

It's weird to want all the benefits of web development without it's unfortunate quirks in my opinion. If desktop developers don't want to deal with them, which I think is reasonable, they have loads of other tools they can use to build desktop apps (and give the users a better experience most likely).

"it's weird to want nice things" is the sort of attitude that means you might have been a web developer for too long :)

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by ahepp »

saagarjha wrote: post #251
ahepp wrote: post #232

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"almost a non-issue" doesn't sound very convincing to me. As someone who doesn't write GUIs often, I just don't want to have to worry about it at all. What's the cost of electron over webviews? 100mb hdd space? On the other side of the trade, never having to worry about cross platform concerns again? Not having to support or test on multiple platforms? Seems like a no brainer to me. But it's entirely possible, even l…

> I just don't want to have to worry about it at all And in doing so you're prioritizing your needs over all of your users'. I think it's fair to claim that a minor convenience to you, at the cost of inconvenience to all your users, might be something you may want to deal with.

Actually it's the opposite. I know my users care more about cross platform support, or any other feature I could whip up, rather than 100MB HDD space.

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by c-smile »

swagonomixxx wrote: post #39

This kind of makes me think... is there room for a much more stripped down version of Chromium that is suitable for lower memory footprint? Or is this impossible? It looks like Tauri uses system webviews, which use a lot less memory, but the burden is then on the developer to make sure that they build essentially 3 (maybe more) UI's on platforms that might change under their feet. That's why the Electron approach is…

"is this impossible?"

Possible, see Sciter.JS : https://github.com/c-smile/sciter-js-sdk

10 times more compact than Tauri, 20 times less than Electron.JS

Yet it has Rust API ( https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter ), that if someone need "Made with Rust" label :)

And it works even on Windows 2000, do you remember that thing? See: https://sciter.com/necromancing-sciter-on-windows-2000/

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by simonh »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #248
briandear wrote: post #227

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> Electron gives the promise of total code re-use across platforms which is what makes web technologies more suitable for desktop apps. I am not sure what the point is of Electron: a shitty-resource hungry app that literally is a wrapped web-app. Instead of writing platform specific apps that leverage the power and capabilities of those platforms, we get a jack of all trades and master of none. Electron is a business…

> I am not sure what the point is of Electron: a shitty-resource hungry app that literally is a wrapped web-app The point is that its effectively a web app. > What value does electron add to the user? They have a desktop app faster than if it was being built natively.

Or at all, how many Electron apps would bother with native Linux clients for example. Some maybe but certainly not all and probably not most either.

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by oldmanhorton »

the_duke wrote: post #71
908B64B197 wrote: post #62

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I have to post it here because it's on top: On Windows the new WebView is Chromium. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview... Old one is, of course, kept for compatibility reasons.

Yes, but it is not installed by default. You have to install it separately, at least for now,which makes things a lot more complicated if you want your app to rely on it.

Edge is pushed to the vast majority of PCs, and on those machines, I believe it provides a system-level webview2 component. You can choose to package your own webview2 into your app if you want the extra compatability that offers at expense of app size and ram usage

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by Neputys »

eivarv wrote: post #279
Neputys wrote: post #273

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No there isn't (with resigned sobbing tone) there isn't. Everything GUI related on desktop is depressing prehistoric garbage that still takes ages to make and if god forbid you want something nice you might as well shoot your self.

That's not my experience, at least. I haven't had any major issues I wasn't able to solve with either. Even if I were more comfortable with web tech when I first started experimenting with this stuff (some time around 2012-2015) I still found the end result much better.

If you don't go beyond standard interactions and look it's probably fine but let's say I want system chrome to look like the one in photoshop and some custom dropdowns for starters...

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by doctorbuttes »

cjohansson wrote: post #259
briandear wrote: post #227

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> Electron gives the promise of total code re-use across platforms which is what makes web technologies more suitable for desktop apps. I am not sure what the point is of Electron: a shitty-resource hungry app that literally is a wrapped web-app. Instead of writing platform specific apps that leverage the power and capabilities of those platforms, we get a jack of all trades and master of none. Electron is a business…

Electron should be banned for the environments sake if the other reasons doesn't persuade, it's inefficient computation to energy ratio using Electron apps, when there is a lot of users like with VSCode or Slack it probably affects the global climate in a negative way

Let's ban anything not written in assembly.

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by dcow »

jlokier wrote: post #109
brundolf wrote: post #44

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> don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks > Webviews are also a moving target so you need a big testing matrix I say this as a front-end web app dev who would most likely be affected by this kind of shift: it might be slightly less convenient, but I wholeheartedly think it's worth doing, on several levels. People built web apps 15 years ago in the dumpster-fire that was web stand…

I run three browsers on my desktop, because the number of things that don't work properly in anything except recent Chrome is enough that I keep encountering issues, I don't want to use Chrome for my regular browsing, and both Safari and Firefox have issues on some sites. On my tablet, a number of current websites don't run even on Chrome, because the tablet isn't particularly new, so it doesn't have current Chrome.…

Running tabs in a separate process has been a boon IMO. It’s better security and a crashed tab doesn't bring the browser down and an unresponsive tab can be killed independently.

Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by [deleted] »

c-smile wrote: post #283
swagonomixxx wrote: post #39

This kind of makes me think... is there room for a much more stripped down version of Chromium that is suitable for lower memory footprint? Or is this impossible? It looks like Tauri uses system webviews, which use a lot less memory, but the burden is then on the developer to make sure that they build essentially 3 (maybe more) UI's on platforms that might change under their feet. That's why the Electron approach is…

"is this impossible?" Possible, see Sciter.JS : https://github.com/c-smile/sciter-js-sdk 10 times more compact than Tauri, 20 times less than Electron.JS Yet it has Rust API ( https://github.com/sciter-sdk/rust-sciter ), that if someone need "Made with Rust" label :) And it works even on Windows 2000, do you remember that thing? See: https://sciter.com/necromancing-sciter-on-windows-2000/

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