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Re: Margaret Mitchell fired from Google

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As noted in her pinned tweet ( https://twitter.com/mmitchell_ai/status/1357819673455202304 ), she was locked out of Google's system after sending an email supporting Timnit Gebru. (EDIT: and allegations of systems abuse; see child comment) This new tweet makes the firing official.

no, she was locked out after extracting thousands of files illegally, see Google response from January:

https://venturebeat.com/2021/01/20/google-targets-ai-ethics-...

Re: Margaret Mitchell fired from Google

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Person who called their employer sexist and racist is fired (no a second person).

Well I guess it is easier to sweep hard problems under the rug than have a dialog with unsatisfied employees. This is one of those times where people are going to intentionally conflate Google's legit right to terminate employment with what is best for the long term culture of the company.

I think if you have more that 3 employees you can't have a dialogue on every issue with all of them. You have to just decide and accept that X% of people won't like the decision and leave. So you minimise X while maximising profit.

Re: Margaret Mitchell fired from Google

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>Unfireable save for clear violations of policies such as sexual harassment

I would take a look at (and consider donating to) FIRE to understand the current state of academic freedom in universities.

https://www.thefire.org/news-and-media/

Just to give two examples:

Bret Weinstein was fired from Evergreen for not participating in a no-white-people-on-campus day (and he was also subject to credible death threats, requiring police escorts when present on campus)

Gordon Klein was suspended for refusing to promise to give higher grades to black students. https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/ucla-suspends-professor-for-re...

And then we have the epidemic of academic mobbing, where colleagues engage in herding behavior that focus their rage on one of their colleagues in a type of modern equivalent of Monsters on Maple Street. It is estimated that 12 percent of those mobbed end up committing suicide. https://www.universityaffairs.ca/opinion/in-my-opinion/acade...

There are many, many things that will get you fired or subject to attack in the modern university, and I don't see any reason to view academia as a place that provides more intellectual freedom than private industry. Indeed, it is often the epicenter of cancel culture and petty utopian dictators.

Re: Margaret Mitchell fired from Google

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Google response (from Jan): "Our security systems automatically lock an employee’s corporate account when they detect that the account is at risk of compromise due to credential problems or when an automated rule involving the handling of sensitive data has been triggered. In this instance, yesterday our systems detected that an account had exfiltrated thousands of files and shared them with multiple external account…

That seems like a pretty serious accusation. Looks like relations between management and employees has seriously deteriorated.

Re: Margaret Mitchell fired from Google

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She gave a talk at my school once, she was invited by my then advisor. This was in 2017 right after she left MSR. We had a brief change, and even back then you can tell she’s not into kowtowing to the patriarchy. It’s quite hard for ambitious women in compsci, they have to walk a tight edge between firm and “motherly”. Men have no such constraints.

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Clarification: I’m speaking about women researchers in an academic setting in general. And hoping to lend a bit of detail on this researcher as a person.

Re: Margaret Mitchell fired from Google

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>Unfireable save for clear violations of policies such as sexual harassment I would take a look at (and consider donating to) FIRE to understand the current state of academic freedom in universities. https://www.thefire.org/news-and-media/ Just to give two examples: Bret Weinstein was fired from Evergreen for not participating in a no-white-people-on-campus day (and he was also subject to credible death threats, requ…

Not withstanding what you say, how do you counter this with related responses to your parent comment which note corporate research is legally bound and ownership vests strongly in IP law and not your research your brain.
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