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Re: Koo, India’s free-speech Twitter alternative

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Post by markdown »

nonamechicken wrote: post #78
markdown wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You keep using MSP, but haven't said what it is.

Sorry, I just copy pasted from another post of mine where we were talking about MSP. MSP means minimum support price. Its a guarantee from the government to the farmers that the government will buy the crop at a certain minimum price no matter the market situation is. For example, MSP for 1 kg rice may be rupees 20. If the farmers can get a higher price in the market, they can sell it at that price. But if the market…

Thank you. Great explanation.

> why can't farmers dictate the price if they have this much bargaining power.

They have political bargaining power, but don't have much bargaining power in the market. This is because most crops are perishable goods. Even with crops like rice (which can be stored by the farmers for an extended period), farmers can't afford to hold on to the goods for long... they need cash to survive.

Re: Koo, India’s free-speech Twitter alternative

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Post by cobraetor »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #19
ceilingcorner wrote: post #11

The actions of Twitter regarding the last election have almost certainly guaranteed the rise of foreign social media sites. If they have no qualms restricting the speech of the president of America, clearly they’ll have no issue manipulating other governments. American social media sites really have no one to blame but themselves. I say this from a realpolitik perspective. This was clearly the obvious outcome.

Hate speech inciting violence is what was banned not any speech.

> Hate speech inciting violence

Interesting, but what I don't understand is ... if Trump clearly incited violence, why was he not convicted? Would you say that the American justice system is not fair?

*edit: responding to comment from zimmerman below,

I watched the full trial, but have not seen any clear arguments made in favor of proving incitement. The legal scholar Jonathan Turley explains it better:

"The reason is that while the crime is not clear, the case law is. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, the Supreme Court ruled in 1969 that even calling for violence is protected under the First Amendment unless there is a threat of “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

Trump never called for violence and instead told his followers to go to the Capitol peacefully to “cheer” on those challenging the electoral votes. Such protests at capitals are common and, while reckless, Trump’s speech could as easily be interpreted as a call for protest rather than violence."

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/19/want-to-prosecute-trum...

*edit: Here's an informative video on House managers presenting fake evidence (as foolinaround explains below) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW3I3wXrBoo

Re: Koo, India’s free-speech Twitter alternative

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Post by sremani »

lordleft wrote: post #60
sremani wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the mother of multicultural societies - Nationalism is the fine thread that holds the thing together. India without Indian-Nationalism is warring states inviting new colonial powers for piece of action. This has been predicament of India since Alexander the Great. Strong borders externally and shallow border internally with rivers flowing in different directions created disparate cultures and population centers. I…

It is one thing to argue for an Indian National identity -- I think that's immensely useful and agree that it acts as a thread that can unify diverse polities and cultures. The problem is that the BJP is advancing a conception of Indian National Identity that flattens distinctions and is predicated on a caricature of Indian minorities. Hindutva sees Muslims, Christians and others as second-class citizens -- it is a n…

I get what you are saying - but Hindutva in spite of a ham fisted approach is also effective at least in political sense that it is Simple and simplistic. India is layered with fragments like caste, region, etc. In some cases Hindutva replaces the more devious kinds of fragmentation. In spite of the rhetoric India under BJP has less communal strife than 80s or 90s. I hate to say it but I will say it anyway, you need to break eggs to make an omlet and I take no satisfaction in it, but there is going to be strife in some communities ending up being political losers.

I am surprised to even hear Thomasites who are one of the socio-econmic mores facing persecution in a state where BJP has no footprint.

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Post by dextralt »

sgift wrote: post #43
sremani wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the mother of multicultural societies - Nationalism is the fine thread that holds the thing together. India without Indian-Nationalism is warring states inviting new colonial powers for piece of action. This has been predicament of India since Alexander the Great. Strong borders externally and shallow border internally with rivers flowing in different directions created disparate cultures and population centers. I…

Funny, there is a state in Europe which had exactly the same position: We are all individual states, we fight with each other, we are weak, we should be together under strong nationalism, so we aren't victims of others anymore and so on. That country was Germany, which unified in 1871. Two world wars later and we've decided that maybe Nationalism isn't such a great thing. But you do you. Have fun.

>Two world wars later and we've decided that maybe Nationalism isn't such a great thing

The states that brought Germany down in both world wars were just as nationalistic at the time. Even the commies brought it back when they needed it the most - and it worked.

Also, since the country in question here is India - without nationalism, they would still be a colony.

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Post by golemiprague »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #31
ceilingcorner wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve clearly shown themselves to have huge biases. The policy on “hacked” materials is a good example that was selectively applied only against one side. I’m really not a Trump fan and find most of the “conservative” media hilariously amateurish, but if you don’t see the obvious bias Silicon Valley has, I’m afraid you’re not paying close enough attention. From the perspective of a foreign government, why let them…

My response was directly to your quote, "restricting the speech of the president of America, clearly they’ll have no issue manipulating other governments."

A bit useless considering that's exactly is his point, that there is no agreement about that, you think it was inciting hate speech and he does not, so why Twitter should be in control of who is right? Obviously other powerful entities will want to be the deciders.

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Post by twobitshifter »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #11

The actions of Twitter regarding the last election have almost certainly guaranteed the rise of foreign social media sites. If they have no qualms restricting the speech of the president of America, clearly they’ll have no issue manipulating other governments. American social media sites really have no one to blame but themselves. I say this from a realpolitik perspective. This was clearly the obvious outcome.

These platforms are too big. A company should be able to ban its users or disable accounts, but that should be an inconvenience and not censorship. Trump lied and promoted insurrection but we can imagine futures where the good guys are the ones being shut off.

I don’t know the solution. Trump could post his 280 characters on whitehouse.gov to his heart’s content. But in comparison to Twitter with millions of followers it’s like talking to an empty room. You’d expect that those millions of followers would still be interested in his 280 characters if they’re not on Twitter, but there’s no frictionless broadcasting. Unlike RSS, every voice is plugged into a monolithic service that can rank and silence stories as it sees fit.

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Post by mrzimmerman »

cobraetor wrote: post #83
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate speech inciting violence is what was banned not any speech.

> Hate speech inciting violence Interesting, but what I don't understand is ... if Trump clearly incited violence, why was he not convicted? Would you say that the American justice system is not fair? *edit: responding to comment from zimmerman below, I watched the full trial, but have not seen any clear arguments made in favor of proving incitement. The legal scholar Jonathan Turley explains it better: "The reason i…

Because the Republican party decided that because Trump was no longer president at the time of his 2nd impeachment trial he couldn't TECHNICALLY be convicted:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-yes-mccon...

Which, if you paid attention to the trial was extremely well reported, so either you genuinely didn't pay attention at all or you're trying to imply anyone in Congress seriously believed he wasn't culpable.

So to answer your question simply, he wasn't convicted because it wasn't politically expedient to the rest of his political party.

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Post by cccc4alll »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #19
ceilingcorner wrote: post #11

The actions of Twitter regarding the last election have almost certainly guaranteed the rise of foreign social media sites. If they have no qualms restricting the speech of the president of America, clearly they’ll have no issue manipulating other governments. American social media sites really have no one to blame but themselves. I say this from a realpolitik perspective. This was clearly the obvious outcome.

Hate speech inciting violence is what was banned not any speech.

Your speech is hate speech. You should be banned and censored and deplatformed.

Re: Koo, India’s free-speech Twitter alternative

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Post by dextralt »

maedla wrote: post #75

How did we get to the point where the government not being able to punish you for what you say is conflated with posting to a privately owned website? How? It's embarrassing

So if all those people who hold problematic opinions would go and make their own privately owned website, everyone would be happy?
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