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Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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Calculation of market cap is interesting, because we (almost certainly) know that a good fraction — as much as 20% — of mined bitcoins are lost forever through accidental key destruction. So you have to adjust this market cap by the remaining, probably liquid, pool.

There are some indexing sites that do that.

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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You assume that early adopters still hold their Bitcoins. You are (mostly) wrong.

Has anyone ever estimated how many btc might be locked up in early adopter wallets who have since lost the passwords or the hard drive, etc?

Depends on Satoshi.

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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Question about energy usage: roughly how much does it increase as a function of transaction volume? If 10x the number of people start getting involved and transaction volume increases 10x as a result, will the network use 10x the energy?

It has no relation to transaction volume. It is related to the price of BTC and the block reward every 10 minutes. The higher the price, the more miners compete to find a block. Transaction volume can never increase because they have capped the block size at 1mb.

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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Question about energy usage: roughly how much does it increase as a function of transaction volume? If 10x the number of people start getting involved and transaction volume increases 10x as a result, will the network use 10x the energy?

Energy is linked to price. Not to transactions.

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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It will be interesting to see Bitcoin sentiment shift as newcomers realize that the bulk of Bitcoin value is held by a small handful of early adopters, and that the bulk of Bitcoin mining capacity is held by a small handful of large mining companies. Cryptocurrency proponents are trying to get ahead of this by reframing Bitcoin as the people's currency, or an opportunity for average people to get rich while sticking…

> Bitcoin value is held by a small handful of early adopters, and that the bulk of Bitcoin mining capacity is held by a small handful of large mining companies. Yes. So what? I don't think the typical Bitcoin proponent is the kind of person to get outraged at Pareto distributions. They are against governments, they don't hate wealthy people just for being wealthy. > The problem with that hypothetical endgame is that…

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Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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~2.3% of addresses own ~95% of all bitcoins. [1] How is a cryptocurrency with this type of wealth inequality supposed to help the common person? It's already centralized, thus easy to manipulate. Bitcoin is reproducing the same type of wealth distribution we see in real life. What exactly does btc offer? I don't understand how one can look at this distribution of bitcoins, where essentially the 1% owns most of it and…

The distribution of capital allocation doesn’t change by adopting a non-central bank based monetary system.

The thing you can choose is who is doing the capital allocation: Satoshi / Winklewoss brothers / Chamath / Elon Musk / Michael Saylor, or Trump / Biden / Putin / Christine Lagarde.

If you like Biden and Jerome Powell, keep your money in USD. If you like Putin, buy RUB. If you prefer the libertarian crowd, buy Bitcoin. If none of this is good there are socialist cryptocurrencies as well for you to choose from or you can create your own.

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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So I as a parent from the fruit of my labors have no right to help my children through life? Also please note most millionaires in the world are self made, with over 80%. Of the other 20% most made it to millionaire status before receiving an inheritance. Also note the people you most worry about, the ones who get money young, usually plow through it and leave nothing for their children.

The notion that over 80% of millionaires in the world are self made is completely ridiculous. Just because you didn't receive large swathes of money doesn't make you self made. Growing up in a secure environment, where you don't have to worry about having a job while you finish high school, where you don't have to worry about not being able to go to college. Where you don't have to worry much at all about anything as…

That sounds like a classic "no true Scotsman". By poverty, do you mean under the United State poverty threshold over ~$12k/year? Because that's an average middle-class income in much of Eastern Europe. There the poverty threshold is much lower, but would also be considered middle-class in India.

There's also a stronger social safety net in many countries that are poorer than the US, where you certainly don't have to worry about not getting to college (if you have good enough grades) due to family income.

Binary categories such as "self-made" vs "not-self made" fit poorly in the real world and suffer due to each individual having a different threshold of self-madeness. For some people it means not having directly inherited a lump sum, for others it means having made every single cent without outside help.

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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~2.3% of addresses own ~95% of all bitcoins. [1] How is a cryptocurrency with this type of wealth inequality supposed to help the common person? It's already centralized, thus easy to manipulate. Bitcoin is reproducing the same type of wealth distribution we see in real life. What exactly does btc offer? I don't understand how one can look at this distribution of bitcoins, where essentially the 1% owns most of it and…

Why do you think it is "supposed to help the common person"? That seems like a weird assumption to start at.

Because its proponents claim it's gonna make you rich. That you gotta board this rocket before it takes off to the moon.

A lot of the propaganda I remember about bitcoin is that it was going to help bank the unbanked. What I see about btc is that people will tell you anything to get you to buy. The goalposts get moved and depending on who you talk to: "it's a store of value, no it's like a stock! No it's a currency! No it's the instrument of world peace!"

Every time I go through comment sections it's like a magic 8 ball is coming up with the arguments in its favor.

All I see is that data above, about how heavily centralized bitcoin is. What's the reason to buy into something that's heavily weighed against you?

Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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~2.3% of addresses own ~95% of all bitcoins. [1] How is a cryptocurrency with this type of wealth inequality supposed to help the common person? It's already centralized, thus easy to manipulate. Bitcoin is reproducing the same type of wealth distribution we see in real life. What exactly does btc offer? I don't understand how one can look at this distribution of bitcoins, where essentially the 1% owns most of it and…

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Re: Bitcoin hits $1T in market value

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It will be interesting to see Bitcoin sentiment shift as newcomers realize that the bulk of Bitcoin value is held by a small handful of early adopters, and that the bulk of Bitcoin mining capacity is held by a small handful of large mining companies. Cryptocurrency proponents are trying to get ahead of this by reframing Bitcoin as the people's currency, or an opportunity for average people to get rich while sticking…

Your problem with this hypothetical endgame is an appeal to fairness. I understand why you'd want that, fairness is a strong human instinct, but I don't see where it has any bearing on the likelihood of this future occurring. People don't enjoy having a high number in their accounting system, they enjoy being wealthy. If, say, African central banks start purchasing BTC, and India joins them, early adopters will cash…

> Is it really that different from buying the first iPod, and thinking to yourself, "y'know this is a brand new Apple, I'm putting a few thousand bucks into their stock"?

Yes, the former is just straight up gambling, the latter is investing in a company that makes good products.

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