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WhatsApp to move ahead with privacy update despite backlash
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Re: WhatsApp to move ahead with privacy update despite backlash
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
FTC sued Facebook for illegal monopolization over this. For some reason, Zuckerberg does not care. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2020/12/ftc-s... >Facebook has engaged in a systematic strategy—including its 2012 acquisition of up-and-coming rival Instagram, its 2014 acquisition of the mobile messaging app WhatsApp, and the imposition of anticompetitive conditions on software developers—to eliminate t…
> When FB bought WhatsApp and Instagram they made explicit promises to regulators not to do this in order to get permission Do you have copy of those legal binding promises?
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_17_...
Here's the EU's fine for them lying about account linking, at the very least.
Re: WhatsApp to move ahead with privacy update despite backlash
#213Temporize the backlash, gather the data from the disruption, take final decision. I take it not so many folks moved off in the end?
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#214You forgot the post-install step of asking everyone for their username/ID. It may sound stupid, but this is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people. It's hard to build a network when you need to ask everyone 1. If they're on a service 2. What their ID is.
With Signal, friends and family just have to install it and, bam, I'm already in their contact list, along with any new person who joins.
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> There is history delivery on first connect on Matrix whenever I set-up a new device. Not for encrypted rooms. -- EDIT: XMPP has https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html which can deliver history for the clients that support it. I just haven't set it up.
Encrypted history should appear fine on Matrix when you log in on a new device - either by gossiping from an old device, or restoring from encrypted key backup if you created one.
"On first log in" means you've never been in the room before with any device.
Re: WhatsApp to move ahead with privacy update despite backlash
#216A group of my friends asked to set up a groupchat recently, our requirements varied. Among them: - needs to be simple (not all of them are techies) - need to be possible to run on desktop without any mobile need - not Facebook (my requirement) So I went and set an XMPP server up on the same machine I have my email and webserver, and wrote a quick guide on how to install blabber.im (a Conversations fork), and register…
why did you not go with a self hosted matrix (aka element.io)?
Read the whole entry, please?
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> That doesn't feel simple. What doesn't feel simple from the user perspective? Get https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.blabber.mes... , start it, follow the screen. Or https://gajim.org/download/ for desktop, register on first run. Or https://siskin.im/ for iOS, register on first run. If that's not simple enough, we need to nuke the whole smartphone scene. + the steps above were _my_ steps, the steps of…
I’m not sure which reality you live in where begging an individual on desktop to install more things is simple.
???
Because asking them to install another app on the phone is?
Seriously, what's the difference?
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#218Honestly, as an engineer, looking at the way FAANG are becoming middle-men in just about every part of human life, I would rather ban all social media and more generally mass communication software outright than try and regulate it. It feels to me like it's gotten to the point where this type of software is doing more harm than good. I know that the software itself is not the issue, the tech has potential to do good,…
I blame smartphones, the hardware. Without them, social media, the software would be MUCH less invasive.
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#219Too big to fail. WhatsApp should be transferred to something like the UN. It is no longer a cool startup/app. It is the main communication infrastructure for the majority of the planet. Yet it's in the hand of unblinking cyborgs.
> for the majority of the planet
WeChat would like to have a word.
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> Why have 1bn users and make $1 per user? Isn't it better if then have 200mn users and make $20 per user? In one case you make $1BN and in the other you make $4BN. So yes, the latter would objectively be better. :-)
Not necessarily. Sometimes more users is better than higher revenue. If those 200 million users have to choose between paying you $20/year or paying only $1 and joining a network with 1 billion users...they'll probably choose the later. Then you won't see those 4 billion dollars.
It depends on the business.
If users cost $0.05 / user to support, that's very different than $1 / user.
Software products scale... but they don't scale completely free.