Without wanting to attack Tauri's author work in any way, for me, the only sensible alternative to Electron are native webviews and daemons/services talking to the user's installed browsers.
Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
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Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#62Looks like it uses system webviews instead of bundling a copy of Chromium? This to me seems like the real headlining feature, but strangely I had to dig pretty deep to find it: https://tauri.studio/en/docs/getting-started/technical-detai... I kind of wonder why it took this long for someone to try this approach. It just makes a whole lot more sense on the surface. Interesting thing I just thought about: since users d…
A major benefit of Electron is that you can develop against a single browser and runtime version and don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks. On Windows the default webview engine is still not the new Chromium but old Edge (WebView2 has to be installed separately), Safari has a fair amount of issues and gtk-webkit can be very quirky as well. This is not so significant if your app…
I have to post it here because it's on top: On Windows the new WebView is Chromium.
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview...
Old one is, of course, kept for compatibility reasons.
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#63Looks like it uses system webviews instead of bundling a copy of Chromium? This to me seems like the real headlining feature, but strangely I had to dig pretty deep to find it: https://tauri.studio/en/docs/getting-started/technical-detai... I kind of wonder why it took this long for someone to try this approach. It just makes a whole lot more sense on the surface. Interesting thing I just thought about: since users d…
A major benefit of Electron is that you can develop against a single browser and runtime version and don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks. On Windows the default webview engine is still not the new Chromium but old Edge (WebView2 has to be installed separately), Safari has a fair amount of issues and gtk-webkit can be very quirky as well. This is not so significant if your app…
A major benefit of Electron to Google is the amount of FOSS developers helping to turn what is left of the Web into ChromeOS.
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#64This kind of makes me think... is there room for a much more stripped down version of Chromium that is suitable for lower memory footprint? Or is this impossible? It looks like Tauri uses system webviews, which use a lot less memory, but the burden is then on the developer to make sure that they build essentially 3 (maybe more) UI's on platforms that might change under their feet. That's why the Electron approach is…
It seems like Electron is decently optimizable for a lowish memory footprint. Both the Element and Discord desktop client run with consistently ~50MB RAM each.
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
A major benefit of Electron is that you can develop against a single browser and runtime version and don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks. On Windows the default webview engine is still not the new Chromium but old Edge (WebView2 has to be installed separately), Safari has a fair amount of issues and gtk-webkit can be very quirky as well. This is not so significant if your app…
> don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks > Webviews are also a moving target so you need a big testing matrix I say this as a front-end web app dev who would most likely be affected by this kind of shift: it might be slightly less convenient, but I wholeheartedly think it's worth doing, on several levels. People built web apps 15 years ago in the dumpster-fire that was web stand…
> Most of the world was still on IE which was actively hostile to web standards for the sake of lock-in (and users weren't even on the same version of IE!)
More like: A lot of corporate users mandated a specific version of IE and wouldn't allow anything else to be installed.
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#66I only have one question. Was the name inspired by Stargate?
That's what I was wondering. I've watched a decent amount of it but my GF is the biggest fan I've ever met (so, naturally, that's what stuck out when I saw the article).
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#67Without wanting to attack Tauri's author work in any way, for me, the only sensible alternative to Electron are native webviews and daemons/services talking to the user's installed browsers.
Isn’t that what this is basically?
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#68This kind of makes me think... is there room for a much more stripped down version of Chromium that is suitable for lower memory footprint? Or is this impossible? It looks like Tauri uses system webviews, which use a lot less memory, but the burden is then on the developer to make sure that they build essentially 3 (maybe more) UI's on platforms that might change under their feet. That's why the Electron approach is…
> 3 (maybe more) UI's on platforms
Not really. Targeting the web platform and not aiming for perfect compatibility or looking the same isn't that hard.
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#69Looks like it uses system webviews instead of bundling a copy of Chromium? This to me seems like the real headlining feature, but strangely I had to dig pretty deep to find it: https://tauri.studio/en/docs/getting-started/technical-detai... I kind of wonder why it took this long for someone to try this approach. It just makes a whole lot more sense on the surface. Interesting thing I just thought about: since users d…
> I kind of wonder why it took this long for someone to try this approach. It just makes a whole lot more sense on the surface. As others have mentioned, this is not the first time someone has tried. As for why people might not go for it: - Electron is Chrome. Webview is: Cocoa/WebKit, gtk-webkit2, and Edge (or is that Edge and Edge/Chrome). Yes standards have progressed a ton but there's still inconsistencies and it…
Which is exactly why everyone pushing for Electron apps has nothing worthy to say about Chrome market share.
Re: Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
#70Looks like it uses system webviews instead of bundling a copy of Chromium? This to me seems like the real headlining feature, but strangely I had to dig pretty deep to find it: https://tauri.studio/en/docs/getting-started/technical-detai... I kind of wonder why it took this long for someone to try this approach. It just makes a whole lot more sense on the surface. Interesting thing I just thought about: since users d…
A major benefit of Electron is that you can develop against a single browser and runtime version and don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks. On Windows the default webview engine is still not the new Chromium but old Edge (WebView2 has to be installed separately), Safari has a fair amount of issues and gtk-webkit can be very quirky as well. This is not so significant if your app…
> don't have to deal with all the small but time consuming compatibility quirks.
Good, then developers might start to develop against standards instead of handpicked browsers. Or if they use a future (unstable) standard that is their own headache (as opposed to user’s; which are subsequently in practice forced to use chromium derived browser).
An app developed against a single browser (as opposed to the web standard) should be considered what it is, an ugly hack, and developers that do it should only do it for their own private apps never to be published until it is standard compliant.