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Post by ghaff »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #199
CaptainZapp wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm pretty sure nothing's going to change in the next 5 years. Given the speed in which effective vaccines were developed I think this is a rather bleak outlook. Sure, a lot is still unknown with the new virus variants and as has been expected vaccination drives had their teething problems. But in a few month time (almost) everybody who wants their jabs can get it (in rich countries, that is). I for one, see myself…

It is worth reading what the epidemologists advising Western governments actually think. Many of them are arguing for social distancing and border closures to continue until the entire world is vaccinated, regardless of how many people are vaccinated within your own country. That is expected to take probably until 2026, so the OP's worries about five years are founded. Some outliers among those advisors are even argu…

There is zero chance that democracies will conform to those kind of restrictions. Once most people are vaccinated, people are going to shift back to business (mostly) as usual subject to changes like more remote work. Governments can't enforce policies if people won't follow them.

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Post by jorl17 »

RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

Lockdown has allowed me to properly realize how much I really do not care about going out. I may enjoy social outings, and for a while I used to have weekly scheduled social outings having much fun in them. In spite of that, I've always been "homey", and I've always been very affected by going out multiple times -- especially weekends. It just drains me and physically exhausts me. Weekends should be sacred. I absolutely hate going out in them. It screws my whole week.

Thus, lockdown has not impacted me negatively in the slightest. At least not directly (it has indirectly through the mental health of those around me). I really do not care about going out. Even more so than I thought.

I like it this way, and I think that while I knew I could stay "home" for long periods, and liked it, I was never aware just how much I really am not affected by "staying home". I have basically been living for almost a year in a "leave the house on average 0.75 times per week", and for at most 4 hours. In a week, I go out an average of 3 hours. I live just fine.

Some of my close friends who considered themselves to be just like me are slowly going a bit crazy. I guess it's not even their need to go out, but the fact that they _know_ they can't.

I understand other people function in other ways. I'm sorry if you're in this group (or your loved ones). Nevertheless, to me, I just really don't feel the impact at all. If anything, having other people "live more like me" has made my life somewhat better, because they can empathize with me more and because the whole world has become "easier to live in", more adapted to my ways of living.

Mind you, this doesn't mean I can live anywhere because I live "mostly remotely, and mostly in my head". I live 5 minutes from my parents (and for a while I was living 1h away from them). Even though I may not go there every day, not even every week or every two weeks, the fact that I'm here gives me immense happiness and calmness. Staying at home does not mean not caring about my immediate and even my "nearish" surroundings.

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Post by packetlost »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #228
packetlost wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that?

Many of these advisors are speaking directly to media. Devi Sridhar, one of the advisors to the UK government, for example, has been doing interviews recently about maintaining long-term border closures and requiring expensive hotel quarantines. Right after I posted my comment above, at 15:12 comments regarding Canadian forecasts appeared in The Guardian's COVID live blog, in which epidemologists say that restriction…

The only article that seems to be quoting Devi Sridhar is behind a paywall, but doesn't seem to be supporting your argument.

I can't find anything on The Guradian's COVID live blog talking about what you're referring to, can you provide a link?

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Post by solosoyokaze »

selectodude wrote: post #245
solosoyokaze wrote: post #225

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Do you really not know any young people who have been permanently damaged by COVID? I know multiple people in their 20s and 30s that spent weeks in the ER and will never be the same. I'm always surprised to find people who think the lockdown is excessive. COVID is absolutely no joke even if you're young, it's not the flu. Not even close, you don't want it.

I know zero people that have been permanently damaged by COVID. I don't think my social circle is all that small, either.

Consider yourself lucky. Would your opinion change if you knew a few people your age that almost didn't make it?

It's anecdotal for sure, but once you see it with your own eyes it definitely makes you take it seriously.

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

anyonecancode wrote: post #244
RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

This is an odd framing to me. The psychological toll is from there being a deadly global pandemic. I guess we could have made the choice to trade the toll of social restrictions for the toll of even more people getting seriously ill and dying, but whatever choices we made and are making, the fact of the matter is that pandemics majorly suck. I think railing against lockdowns is a coping mechanism -- as policies we've…

> The psychological toll is from there being a deadly global pandemic.

How do you know? I think this claim, if it is to be believed, deserves some solid and objective evidence.

How come the pandemic is the deadly one? Why not put some of the blame on the millions of people who died from this thing, who probably could have lived through it had they lived healthier lives? There has been ZERO discussion of how to improve the body's natural immunity to viruses, which is without a doubt the most efficacious way to prevent death from coronaviruses.

> I think railing against lockdowns is a coping mechanism

This is so condescending I have a hard time believing you're being honest. No business owner would choose to completely shutter their enterprise as so many have had to do under threat of government violence. The complete upending of normal life was not something anyone did because it was the right thing to do. We did it because we were all under threat of fines, violence, and losing our freedoms even further if we didn't.

> But, in our more calm and reflective and honest moments, we should remember that the psychological toll here is from the pandemic, and there's not some magical other option where the pandemic is anything other than a very difficult situation.

The "pandemic" has done absolutely nothing to me. All of my difficulties have been tied to the complete shutdown of my local, state, and federal government. I haven't gotten sick nor have any of my close friends and family. I have, however, been assaulted by random prisoners let out of prison too early, have been price-gouged by corporations, and have had my basic liberties stripped. Those were all lockdown policies causing those things - not the pandemic.

To me, it's overwhelmingly obvious that our infrastructure is failing and the government is using ridiculous histrionics regarding the virus and regarding "anti-racism," to cover it up.

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Post by solosoyokaze »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #242
solosoyokaze wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really not know any young people who have been permanently damaged by COVID? I know multiple people in their 20s and 30s that spent weeks in the ER and will never be the same. I'm always surprised to find people who think the lockdown is excessive. COVID is absolutely no joke even if you're young, it's not the flu. Not even close, you don't want it.

My anecdotal experience is the opposite of yours - everyone I know in their 20s and 30s who had a positive COVID-19 test got through it within a week and it was about the same as the flu. If my anecdata is irrelevant, then so is yours. The only people I know who have had permanent damage from COVID-19 in this age range, have all had their trauma caused by excessive lockdown policies. You know what's even less of a jo…

> You know what's even less of a joke than COVID-19? Our histrionic, insane, and completely violent overreaction to it.

Quick question: how would you propose dealing with a global pandemic? Social isolation seems like the most common sense solution, since in 2021 we know how disease is transmitted and how to deal with that.

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Post by selectodude »

solosoyokaze wrote: post #254
selectodude wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know zero people that have been permanently damaged by COVID. I don't think my social circle is all that small, either.

Consider yourself lucky. Would your opinion change if you knew a few people your age that almost didn't make it? It's anecdotal for sure, but once you see it with your own eyes it definitely makes you take it seriously.

My mother died of cancer in her mid-40s. She had me pretty young so I had a front row seat to the entire thing. Terrible, terrible thing to go through. I do nothing to reduce my risk of cancer. I just can't live my life like that. Some people can and do. I wish I were one of them.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

jorl17 wrote: post #252
RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

Lockdown has allowed me to properly realize how much I really do not care about going out. I may enjoy social outings, and for a while I used to have weekly scheduled social outings having much fun in them. In spite of that, I've always been "homey", and I've always been very affected by going out multiple times -- especially weekends. It just drains me and physically exhausts me. Weekends should be sacred. I absolut…

Glad to see I'm not the only one. I've seen so many posts across the internet along the lines of "I'm a total loner, but I can hardly take it anymore". Meanwhile, I'm definitely an introvert, but not even that much of a loner and I'm doing just fine.

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Post by solosoyokaze »

selectodude wrote: post #257
solosoyokaze wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider yourself lucky. Would your opinion change if you knew a few people your age that almost didn't make it? It's anecdotal for sure, but once you see it with your own eyes it definitely makes you take it seriously.

My mother died of cancer in her mid-40s. She had me pretty young so I had a front row seat to the entire thing. Terrible, terrible thing to go through. I do nothing to reduce my risk of cancer. I just can't live my life like that. Some people can and do. I wish I were one of them.

Thank you for the honest answer and personal anecdote. Sorry about your mom.

Re: I Miss My Bar

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Post by skocznymroczny »

Until people rise up against the restrictions, the restrictions will continue and will be more restrictive over time. There's always a third, fourth, fifth wave, there's always a new strain immune to current vaccines. Just hold on for two weeks so we can defeat the virus!
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