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Post by batch12 »

GistNoesis wrote: post #158

After reading it a few times, I think it's not about some script kiddie using curl to hack into his system. Although I condemn Al Nocai's method, I feel for him and I am inclined to adopt the contrarian opinion that he probably got screwed because of the bad quality of curl. Curl had some remote exploit last year, and curl is used everywhere as the author reminds (often as libcurl). https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/0…

Why couldn't someone who doesn't want to use an open source library just write their own? Just because it exists doesn't mean you are forced to use it--

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by nullc »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #141
cmsefton wrote: post #125

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> libCurl is great and my life is better for it. This is not directed at you specifically, but your comment got me wondering how many people contact individuals like Daniel who are behind Open Source projects like this to share positive feedback, or even just to say "Thank you." I know I've not done it anywhere near as much as I should, and I suspect that doing so would help take the edge of what can often feel like…

> how many people contact individuals who are behind Open Source projects just to say "Thank you." Open-source developers occasionally express dislike of "thank you" messages. They may have written that software mainly to scratch their own itch, and dealing with messages that don't say anything but thanks takes precious time out of their day. Donating money, however, is usually more welcome.

That hasn't been my experience, somewhat the opposite since people who donate money sometimes turn weird and controlling (even over pretty small amounts).

One can send thanks along with "No response expected or required!" :)

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Post by ardfard »

arcatek wrote: post #144
cmsefton wrote: post #125

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> libCurl is great and my life is better for it. This is not directed at you specifically, but your comment got me wondering how many people contact individuals like Daniel who are behind Open Source projects like this to share positive feedback, or even just to say "Thank you." I know I've not done it anywhere near as much as I should, and I suspect that doing so would help take the edge of what can often feel like…

I can answer this a bit - I maintain Yarn, a JS package manager. While nowhere near Curl, it does have a fairly significant user base - at least a few million devs, from what I understand. For all this work, I received exactly two emails thanking me for my work during the past four years. I also happen to maintain a little "Secret Santa" website, hosted on a GitHub page. Nothing too fancy, just a static app that lets…

First of all, thank you for your work for the community. But I want to put things in context too. I am primarily a backend engineer that work in Ubuntu box and using many Unix tools while maintaining a huge service containing hundred of OSS libraries. You can imagine If I have to thanks every one of them then I won't be able to do my real works. Also I don't think someone like Mr. Torvald would appreciate me adding more noise to his inbox because of my garbage email ;)

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Post by Cederfjard »

pornel wrote: post #113

Many comments rush to label this guy as "mentally ill". Being an entitled asshole with misdirected anger is not necessarily a medical condition. And there are plenty of people with actual mental health problems who are not aggressive at all (statistically, mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence). Health issues are a thing that happens to people, and they don't have control over it, which absolv…

I think people are saying that not just because of the aggression, but also because the story is all over the place and makes little sense.

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Post by syrgian »

GistNoesis wrote: post #158

After reading it a few times, I think it's not about some script kiddie using curl to hack into his system. Although I condemn Al Nocai's method, I feel for him and I am inclined to adopt the contrarian opinion that he probably got screwed because of the bad quality of curl. Curl had some remote exploit last year, and curl is used everywhere as the author reminds (often as libcurl). https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/0…

If he's the one using cURL, does that mean that he is one of the kids in the phrase 'You built a formula 1 race car and tossed the keys to kids with ego problems.'?

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Post by mimimi31 »

hobofan wrote: post #183
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #141

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> how many people contact individuals who are behind Open Source projects just to say "Thank you." Open-source developers occasionally express dislike of "thank you" messages. They may have written that software mainly to scratch their own itch, and dealing with messages that don't say anything but thanks takes precious time out of their day. Donating money, however, is usually more welcome.

My social media bubble is one that comparatively spends a lot of thought on maintainter/contributor appreciation, and I've literally never heard that complaint. No open source maintainer is so busy that they don't have the time to respond to a ever so rare genuine thank you with a "Thanks, glad you appreciate it!".

I can kind of understand where they're coming from. I've had people create issues or leave comments on random commits for the sole purpose of expressing thanks, which can get annoying in a bigger project. Especially when there are a few hundred people watching the repository that now each receive multiple emails they aren't interested in. That said, I still do appreciate people taking the time to express thanks when opening an issue or when I have helped them with a problem.

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Post by ungamedplayer »

zucker42 wrote: post #109
javajosh wrote: post #86

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Well, maybe, but what about "Don't talk to the police"?

That's if they are potentially investigating you for a crime. Sometimes, the benefits of talking to the police outweigh the risks.

If you honestly come across one of these situations, its very rare.

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Post by zoomablemind »

arp242 wrote: post #75
pmiller2 wrote: post #21

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Yeah, I agree. In his place, I either would have done nothing, or, maybe made a police report (not that I'd expect the police to actually do anything at this stage). Generally speaking, the less you antagonize someone whose first exchange with you is "I will slaughter you," the better, IMO.

I once tried to have a conversation with a women who tried to drive me and my bicycle off the bus lane (where she shouldn't be driving in the first place); and shouted "fuck off you pissy little cunt" to me. For some reason I thought that if I explained my perspective, she would understand. It ended up with a broken back wheel (she kicked it) and a damaged phone (she took it out of my hand when I wanted to take a pic…

> ...and shouted "fuck off you pissy little cunt" to me.

There's a name for this incident - "road rage". Very real and dangerous indeed.

People get completely irrational and agitated. Probably due to effect of being locked up, in a way, non-free inside their cars.

When I'm biking, at times I too get mad at some careless and obnoxious drivers encroaching my freedom, I guess they may be finding me just as annoying for simply missing the fatter wheels and a comparable scale on the shared road. Irrational!

As cyclists we are literally more exposed on the road. So whenever such inevitable bout of irrational fury pops, I find the safest option for myself is to steam-off using similar vocabulary. It's more efficient than reasoning with the unreasonable.

Just to be even safer, I'd let the offending four-wheeled furia be gone before naming the whole piece of that motorized content in precisely spoken choice of words...

It takes practice though. Be safe!

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Post by zenexer »

kyrieeschaton wrote: post #166
growt wrote: post #119

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My bet is on GPT-2 (GPT-3 would probably generate better text). This whole reply just isn't coherent (first it's a defence contract, then it's learning software for kids?). So either AI generated or someone with some mental illness.

Those emails are textbook schizophrenia.

The fact that this email could plausibly be someone with schizophrenia or an actual defense contractor speaks volumes about the latter’s reputation.

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Post by gmfawcett »

pmiller2 wrote: post #135
javajosh wrote: post #96

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A sad sentiment of giving up, but I think it is premature to abandon your approach. I think it may be worth trying for that small-ish fraction (call it 10%?) of people who can be talked back from their anger. Those are good conversations to have for both parties, and worth trying to have, even if it results in failure 90% of the time. That said, I think the real lesson for you is: don't make yourself more vulnerable…

It's tautologically true that for any X, if you don't try to do X, you won't succeed. But, you also have to weigh whatever good may come of success against the probability and potential consequences of failure. In cases like these, you're by definition dealing with someone who is a little off mentally, whether that's just a temporary condition ( e.g. having a bad day), or serious mental illness. Such people can tend…

Nitpicking, but that's not a tautology. Let X be "dying" -- many of us aren't trying to get there, but we will all succeed.
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