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Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by pmiller2 »

yetihehe wrote: post #152
arp242 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the real lesson for you is: don't make yourself more vulnerable (e.g. letting her touch you or your stuff) if you decide to try to start a conversation! I didn't "let" her, she just did it. I know you mean well and that you probably didn't intend it like this, but this comment comes off as victim blaming quite a bit. As for the rest: thus far I've never managed to talk random strangers down from these kind…

Yeah, had a neighbour lady like this recently. She was always closing her doors VERY loudly (lamps in my aartment were ringing) and when there was some argument with another neighbour, she eventually said that it was I who started banging doors. My best comparison for arguing with such people is like playing chess with pidgeon. It will throw off pieces, shit on board and be happy that it won. And you will be appaled…

I've recently had an interaction of similar character with a neighbor in my very small apartment building, including, oddly, a door slamming component. We had had an interaction a few weeks prior that just went sideways, which caused this woman to slam her door every time I would walk past it. Since walking past her door is not optional if I want to leave my apartment (small apartment building, remember?), and this door slamming tended to startle my dog, I asked her to stop.

Because the earlier interaction I mentioned went sideways (including, among other things, her literally getting within 4 inches of my face while she was not wearing a mask), I decided to video record this most recent interaction on my phone so I would have evidence if anything went wrong that I could take to the landlord. I knew this would create an inherently more antagonistic vibe, but I felt like I had no choice after the prior incident.

Let's just say this interaction also went bad, culminating in a very minor physical assault (I was not injured -- she slapped the hand I was holding my phone in, because she did not like the fact I was recording), and a restraining order.

End of story, right?

Wrong. That restraining order, it was taken out by her against me. Her petition filing is literally nothing but gaslighting trying to paint me as the aggressor when I literally have video evidence to the contrary.

Unfortunately, due to COVID shenanigans, the court date was delayed a couple of times, and I ended up not being served notice of the actual hearing, which means I lost in a default judgement. I filed a motion to terminate her restraining order and a counter petition of my own, both of which I am currently waiting on a hearing for.

And, like your situation, because it was a neighbor, and because I have to walk past her door to get to and from my apartment, I simply don't have the choice to not interact with this person. Basically anything I could have done would be a lose / lose. Rock, meet hard place, I guess. Le sigh.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by rurounijones »

GistNoesis wrote: post #158

After reading it a few times, I think it's not about some script kiddie using curl to hack into his system. Although I condemn Al Nocai's method, I feel for him and I am inclined to adopt the contrarian opinion that he probably got screwed because of the bad quality of curl. Curl had some remote exploit last year, and curl is used everywhere as the author reminds (often as libcurl). https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/0…

> When some open-source project has some level of reach there needs to be quality requirements and regular security audits. (like they (last?) did in 2016, https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/11/23/curl-security-audit/)

I think the key question with that is: It all sounds nice, but who is realistically going to pay for it. _especially_ repeatedly.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by [deleted] »

arcatek wrote: post #144
cmsefton wrote: post #125

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> libCurl is great and my life is better for it. This is not directed at you specifically, but your comment got me wondering how many people contact individuals like Daniel who are behind Open Source projects like this to share positive feedback, or even just to say "Thank you." I know I've not done it anywhere near as much as I should, and I suspect that doing so would help take the edge of what can often feel like…

I can answer this a bit - I maintain Yarn, a JS package manager. While nowhere near Curl, it does have a fairly significant user base - at least a few million devs, from what I understand. For all this work, I received exactly two emails thanking me for my work during the past four years. I also happen to maintain a little "Secret Santa" website, hosted on a GitHub page. Nothing too fancy, just a static app that lets…

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Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by javajosh »

arp242 wrote: post #124
javajosh wrote: post #96

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A sad sentiment of giving up, but I think it is premature to abandon your approach. I think it may be worth trying for that small-ish fraction (call it 10%?) of people who can be talked back from their anger. Those are good conversations to have for both parties, and worth trying to have, even if it results in failure 90% of the time. That said, I think the real lesson for you is: don't make yourself more vulnerable…

> I think the real lesson for you is: don't make yourself more vulnerable (e.g. letting her touch you or your stuff) if you decide to try to start a conversation! I didn't "let" her, she just did it. I know you mean well and that you probably didn't intend it like this, but this comment comes off as victim blaming quite a bit. As for the rest: thus far I've never managed to talk random strangers down from these kind…

I am not blaming you. I am trying to point out places where you could have reduced the chance of being harmed. In particular, when she approached you and came within arms length, you could have put away your phone. Next time, I hope you do. That is NOT the same as saying it was your fault she destroyed it. It is her fault. My advice is based on the sad truth that the cost of getting justice >> the cost of buying a new phone, so I'm saying: when confronted with an angry person, put your valuables away, because getting them to actually replace that item will be more pain than the initial damaging interaction.

As for your neighbor, yes, it sounds like he's a crazy person. And the lockdown has taken even moderately crazy people and pushed them over the edge!

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by kyrieeschaton »

growt wrote: post #119
Nextgrid wrote: post #15

The general demeanor of that person, some of the lingo used like "rooting" or "federal server hijacking", the fact that in the screenshot he's using some text editor with ads in it to browse the offending code combined with the fact that he doesn't know what Curl is (if he did he wouldn't have sent this e-mail) screams "script kiddie" to me. I'm not sure whether this person is actually responsible for a multi-million…

My bet is on GPT-2 (GPT-3 would probably generate better text). This whole reply just isn't coherent (first it's a defence contract, then it's learning software for kids?). So either AI generated or someone with some mental illness.

Those emails are textbook schizophrenia.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by shin_lao »

Nextgrid wrote: post #15

The general demeanor of that person, some of the lingo used like "rooting" or "federal server hijacking", the fact that in the screenshot he's using some text editor with ads in it to browse the offending code combined with the fact that he doesn't know what Curl is (if he did he wouldn't have sent this e-mail) screams "script kiddie" to me. I'm not sure whether this person is actually responsible for a multi-million…

We are dealing with a person with mental illness, because nothing is coherent. It's all made up. That's why you don't answer that kind of mail, the goal is to trigger a reaction from you.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by flippinburgers »

I feel like the sender should take it a bit further by blaming the sun for nurturing the plants that feed the animals that sustain the belly of the coder Daniel. In other words go out on their lawn a shake a mighty fist towards the sky.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by ProAm »

shin_lao wrote: post #167
Nextgrid wrote: post #15

The general demeanor of that person, some of the lingo used like "rooting" or "federal server hijacking", the fact that in the screenshot he's using some text editor with ads in it to browse the offending code combined with the fact that he doesn't know what Curl is (if he did he wouldn't have sent this e-mail) screams "script kiddie" to me. I'm not sure whether this person is actually responsible for a multi-million…

We are dealing with a person with mental illness, because nothing is coherent. It's all made up. That's why you don't answer that kind of mail, the goal is to trigger a reaction from you.

> It's all made up.

I think its the opposite, I think its an unqualified contractor writing code he doesn't understand for complex systems and was subsequently hacked. I see this a lot with people bidding on contracts then hiring staff/developers after it's awarded to duct tape a system together that barely works and is full of holes.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by corobo »

perpetualpatzer wrote: post #148
corobo wrote: post #9

Not sure what this solves really. Some pissed off weirdo is an idiot aye. Either it's scary and get law enforcement involved or it's not and we're gawking and laughing at someone at their worst moment. In an attempt to take this post at its most charitable I agree, it fucking sucks there's not enough focus on mental health in the world.

If you're looking for ways to be charitable, I found this (and this similar Tim Ferris post[0]) to be eye-opening view into the range of noise that people with large social wakes deal with. It's a small slice of empathy that I (and possibly others) would have lacked otherwise that makes me more understanding in interactions with folks like OSS maintainers, corporate governance, etc. I agree, there was no need to incl…

The only difference here is I'm empathising with both sides
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