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“I will slaughter you”

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Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by mettamage »

akhilkg wrote: post #92
mettamage wrote: post #47

> That code is used to root and exploit people. That comment made me think and I realized the following. Open-source code like curl is inevitable when a society gains internet [1]. It's not Daniel's fault. If anything is to blame, blame the internet and human nature on a grand scale [2]. [1] If he wouldn't have made it, someone else would. If no one else would, then people would've done it privately. Some of that cod…

off point > if there is a 1 in a 500 million chance that something could happen based on a small piece of text, it means that at Twitter, it happens every day. really interesting, do you remember what interview/who the employee was or anything?

I wouldn't be surprised if this interview was 3 to 5, or even more years ago. Sadly, I really don't remember, but this little tidbit stood out to me at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the "employee" is a really high ranking one, or one of the founders even.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by mahart »

david_draco wrote: post #61

There are two things wrong here: The person saw some exploit with curl headers, which damaged their life. That's upsetting, even if the email is misdirected, because Daniel just provided the infrastructure, and did not cause the specific abuse. What is wrong is the threat to life. The second thing that is wrong is to respond to the second email by doxxing the author to the public. The second email showed that the thr…

I disagree with the idea that sharing a singular name of someone you had a conversion with is doxxing. Especially one voluntarily sent without a prior agreement that the email conversation would remain private.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by [deleted] »

Clewza313 wrote: post #78
david_draco wrote: post #61

There are two things wrong here: The person saw some exploit with curl headers, which damaged their life. That's upsetting, even if the email is misdirected, because Daniel just provided the infrastructure, and did not cause the specific abuse. What is wrong is the threat to life. The second thing that is wrong is to respond to the second email by doxxing the author to the public. The second email showed that the thr…

Nobody is being doxxed here. "Al Nocai" is a pseudonym, and Daniel redacted the actual email address.

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Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by Huwyt_Nashi021 »

the_only_law wrote: post #29
rscho wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? (Is all I can think of as an answer)

Don’t want to delve into any accusatory territory, but I’ve seen several new accounts with names following a similar pattern that post such material and dip.

Not by choice. I'm usually auto-flagged/shadow-banned/banned after one or two comments, so I make a new account to join the discussion when necessary. I would prefer to use the same account but it's out of my hands.

The mod warned me that using a new name each time could be interpreted as deceptive so I've been using the same name (with an incremented suffix) for a little while now to not obscure my identity.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by radu_floricica »

mettamage wrote: post #47

> That code is used to root and exploit people. That comment made me think and I realized the following. Open-source code like curl is inevitable when a society gains internet [1]. It's not Daniel's fault. If anything is to blame, blame the internet and human nature on a grand scale [2]. [1] If he wouldn't have made it, someone else would. If no one else would, then people would've done it privately. Some of that cod…

Assuming the person writing is not just having a nervous breakdown or trolling (~50%), I think the metaphor they're using is very useful here:

> You built a formula 1 race car and tossed the keys to kids with ego problems.

He may have been ran over by a formula 1 race car, but for some reason he ended up writing to and blaming the guy that's building the seats. Or the tires.

Curl is an ubiquitous tool used for pretty much anything. Assuming the grievance is real, blaming it for anything is clearly a misunderstanding of the situation.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by kstenerud »

The problem is a common one, where someone reaches a conclusion after a sloppy investigation.

From the letter, it sounds like this guy had his life ruined, and upon investigating the hacker tools used to ruin his project and life, he jumped on the name that appeared the most in the source code.

The screenshots would have been an "I know it's you" message to him, which the sender would assume is more than enough to let him know the meaning of his email. And indeed, if Daniel had been writing haxx0r tools, the message and intent would have been crystal clear.

At this point the sender would be assuming that Daniel is just playing games with him and playing dumb, so he's pouring out his story to shame Daniel over the damage that his hacker tool has done.

If someone were to write tools specifically for evil purposes, and your life were ruined by use of said tools, you'd be screaming mad, too. And probably seeking revenge.

Except that his investigation was sloppy and incomplete; Daniel doesn't write hacker tools, he writes a HTTP client library. He's no more guilty of facilitating hacking than the writer of any runtime library's HTTP client code.

Normally, this would be a matter of setting the facts straight, but in this case a criminal investigation would probably be in order.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by alpaca128 »

mettamage wrote: post #47

> That code is used to root and exploit people. That comment made me think and I realized the following. Open-source code like curl is inevitable when a society gains internet [1]. It's not Daniel's fault. If anything is to blame, blame the internet and human nature on a grand scale [2]. [1] If he wouldn't have made it, someone else would. If no one else would, then people would've done it privately. Some of that cod…

Curl is a tool; and just like a knife can be used to rob a person it can be abused for malicious purposes. That's unavoidable no matter what kind of license it has.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by krick »

lrossi wrote: post #58

The elephant in the room is the poor choice of domain name. A lot of people are getting the wrong idea about the purpose of his software.

I think the elephant in the room is putting a personal email there in the first place. Honestly, you shouldn't act surprised you've received a threat, when you already know people constantly misunderstand that thing. In fact, it is quite literally like writing your phone number on a concrete block next to some dumpster in LA where all sorts of junkies constantly gather together, and then taking a personal offense when you receive a call from somebody who thinks this is Satan's phone number and he is the one who has been chosen to defeat you.

But, yeah, the domain itself obviously doesn't help the matter.

Re: “I will slaughter you”

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Post by zucker42 »

javajosh wrote: post #86
bartread wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't respond but I probably would notify law enforcement and give them a copy of the exchange.

Well, maybe, but what about "Don't talk to the police"?

That's if they are potentially investigating you for a crime. Sometimes, the benefits of talking to the police outweigh the risks.
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