I don't have much knowledge in this space, so a question... Is it likely that this affects something more than just mining? Or is this hobbling specific enough to leave the card unhobbled for every other need?
Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half
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#432But I'm concerned that a company can tell you what you can or can't do with your hardware. Where is the spirit behind the hacker community, Jailbreaking iPhones, the right to repair, the ban of tattoos that prevented the use of Linux on PCs,... That's a very concerning move from me.
Also, for a company that does morale :
(1) Nvidia's marketing is one of the best for making old products look obsolete and replaceable. Most gamers would do great with their old gen card, they just don't need to upgrade already. But they reserve cards for them so that they can create as much e-waste as they want
(2) they could just have prevented supply issues if their supply chains were diverse and resilient. But it turns out they aren't. And it's not something that was asked by the gamers
(3) for a company that's focused around gamers, they have already prevented powerful "crypto" GPUs from being repurposed into gaming gear, as featured in LTT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY4s35uULg4
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It's also a precedent nvidia (and AMD) set well over a decade ago by limiting several features to their quadro line. 5-10 years ago it was 10-12bit color. Today it's SR-IOV. There was also the gsync/freesync debacle not so long ago. This is the first time the ends have even remotely justified the means.
I think number of video encoding streams is artificially limited to 2 as well on consumer cards.
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Just wait until they'll limit ML/DL using those heuristics because you're supposed to buy specialized hardware and let gamers play their games. First they came for the miners, and I did not speak out.
So let’s wait until BTC hits $100k and a generic videocard for any purpose costs $5000. That would be much better than paying extra $200 over MSRP for ML. /s
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#436I would normally be appalled by such an action, but the supply issues for RTX 30x0 cards are beyond ridiculous. Mining trashes the environment and, for the majority of crypto assets/volumes, does not provide genuinely valuable economic activity besides speculation (I say that as someone who has put thousands of dollars into crypto in the past). Why should people who want to try some ML/DL at home (maybe they even nee…
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Energy dumped as heat into the atmosphere does nothing bad to the climate. And I am not particularly for any energy conservation measures. Except for isolating buildings because most dirty stuff we burn is for that purpose and not isolating your home is just negligence. Wasting electrical energy is only bad because it came from burning stuff. But I don't think any fossil fuel power plant was closed because people use…
How far does this mindset extend? Would you support spoiling food to increase demand for more efficient food production? Destroying homes to increase demand for more efficient home construction? > Wasting electrical energy is only bad because it came from burning stuff. But I don't think any fossil fuel power plant was closed because people used less. Coal plants are indeed closing because they are no longer profitab…
But not to drive up demand there are better ways to do that in case of housing. There are places where more efficient housing can't be built bot because lack of demand but local regulations that serve local wealth owners.
Waste food... Not so much bacause food preduction doesn't really suffer as a result of low demand. We pretty much grow food as efficiently as it is possible and in places we don't we do it for different reasons than just lack of demand. There are food producers that destroy some food they produced to drive up the prices by increasing ratio of demand to supply.
Coal power plants close because there are cheaper ways to make electricity now, not because demand dropped.
Crypto mining operations can provide load on-demand which is almost as good as power production on demand while balancing power grid.
Nuclear power plant plus huge crypto mine can provide as much flexibility as coal power plant if not more.
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#438nvidia going to learn a lesson. first, this is very obviously because they noticed cloud operators are offering these RTX cards and they do not have a 10x-the-price-enteprise-quadroRTX yet. what they think will happen: they will blame miners for their production issues, make RTX cards less attractive for cloud operators, sell a truck load of quadro cards to them while offloading RTX cards to actual gamers who then ge…
Do you have a source on game studios using hashing for crowd AI?