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Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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So true. Nvidia can't not know how resourceful cryptominers are - and to what lengths a miner will go to modify the firmware for even a few percentage point improvements. It'll just lead to a never-ending back and forth (will daily drivers become a thing?) until Nvidia decides it's not worth the effort. This just seems like a feeble gesture at appeasing gamers. What's interesting is that these "mining-crippling" chan…

> This just seems like a feeble gesture at appeasing gamers. Color me cynical, but this seems like a strong gesture at increasing margins on GPU computing by upselling using cryptocurrency and gamers as PR pawns/scapegoats if Nvidia is selling more cards than they can produce/distribute at desired target prices they should produce more cards and improve their distribution networks..

Or, even easier, raise prices...

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I would normally be appalled by such an action, but the supply issues for RTX 30x0 cards are beyond ridiculous. Mining trashes the environment and, for the majority of crypto assets/volumes, does not provide genuinely valuable economic activity besides speculation (I say that as someone who has put thousands of dollars into crypto in the past). Why should people who want to try some ML/DL at home (maybe they even nee…

The practical utility of crypto is such a joke when compared to the intended use cases that all of the speculators fawn over. The idea that crypto is a "store of value" seems like meager coping with the fact that transaction rates in a distributed system necessarily must suck compared to what Visa, et. al. are doing with IBM mainframes and racks of x86 hardware contained in the same datacenter (i.e. 1~2ms latency dom…

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They don't need to mine for that, merely buy existing Bitcoins.

Is that easy? I assume they are going to have Syrian pounds as cash. Then I guess you need to put them in a local bank account and use that account to buy BTC. Can you buy BTC with Syrian pounds? If yes, wouldn't the exchange rate be dreadful? I'm not sure exactly who would want SYP.

You need someone to accept Syrian pounds for the nvidia gpu too, and you need to buy electricity and have functional internet service... there’s really no reason to mine instead of buy in this case.

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The long term road map for Ethereum 2 is 100k transactions per second. This is a theoretical maximum and it will likely take years to get there. This defies your assertion that scaling cannot ever be achieved with current crypto approaches.

Okay, so for the foreseeable future: "The practical utility of crypto is such a joke when compared to the intended use cases that all of the speculators fawn over" Not really a change in semantics here. It's still the point that crypto promised a LOT of really cool things for fintech that realistically won't materialize for a long time.

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Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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I understand Nvidia is no angel. And I'm totally OK with them doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Also, my concern is not for data centers running creepy ML models that invade users' privacy, but for the average home user who wants to get started with ML and at the same time get decent frame rates when they play a game.

>I understand Nvidia is no angel. And I'm totally OK with them doing the right thing for the wrong reason. My argument is they should and could have scaled up the production rather than just shuffling around which group they hurt or help at the expense of which other (be it miners, ML folks or gamers). This isn't the 'right thing', it just helps the group you prefer on this round.

Ask AMD why scaling up to mining demand is a bad idea.

A sudden implosion of demand combined with a flooding of the used GPU marked. Better not plan on bringing out any new GPU architectures when your warehouses are still full of the previous generation.

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I don't quite get why everyone seems to get onto the environment train with crypto but seem to have had no issues with gold

Warren Buffett, the renowned investor, famously dismissed gold in a speech given at Harvard in 1998. He said: “It gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or some place. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.” It sucks that gold is so desired just for its look. If it were cheaper it wou…

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Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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Hahaha, this can't be real. Will they gimp the RTX-3060 in other applications like machine learning too? Will people who already bought these cards for mining have to watch out for updated drivers or firmware? This is an absolute nightmare scenario which will come back to haunt Nvidia for years. I can't believe they approved this. It'll be interesting to see how games perform on the newly gimped cards people already…

RTX 3060 has not been released yet, it goes on sale February 25th.

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I remember that argument being made 2 years ago during the last mining craze. Given the existing investment in Ethereum HW, it almost seems like it’s just a carrot to deflect criticism about power consumption, but not something that will actually happen.

It's already running with $5 billion in ETH deposited. It'll take some more time before migrating the legacy chain, but the really hard part is live. There was nothing like that two years ago.

You mean "the really easy part"? The Beacon Chain doesn't do much at all. Last time I checked, they hadn't even got a design for how contract code would be executed in Eth 2.0.

Re: Nvidia announces mining GPUs, cuts the hash rate of RTX-3060 in half

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GPU supply is a huge problem, but this is a massively problematic solution. It likely won't even work; if it can be done w/ firmware, it will be reversed by firmware patches. I've been all through GPU firmware flashes in a quest to get both NVIDIA and AMD cards passed through to VMs w/ QEMU on Unraid, and I feel like this could be easily circumvented based on that experience.

> I've been all through GPU firmware flashes in a quest to get both NVIDIA and AMD cards passed through to VMs w/ QEMU on Unraid

I you refer to the infamous Error 43 on Nvidia, it can be worked around by setting some QEMU flags.

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