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Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

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Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#41
I drive a car and a motorcycle. Like most cars, mine is automatic. Like most motorcycles, mine is manual. I wondered why this was the case when I decided to get my license and asked the instructor. Surprisingly, they do make automatic transmission-based bikes[0]. My instructor's opinion on the matter was "I'd only be caught dead on one of those. They're fsckin' dangerous as hell." explaining that control through a turn is handled by throttle/engine braking, rapidly down-shifting in emergency situations, and being able to tightly control every aspect of the bike is how you stay safe.

My thinking was that it was one of those things where "a new rider would be less safe because there's more to manage but an old rider would be more safe because they have a greater degree of control." I learned, quickly, that an 800lb bike with a big engine requires a lot more careful control through a tight turn than the "mountain-bike with a weed whacker engine" on it that we trained on--especially when said operator is 150lbs soaking wet. And while older riders benefit more, new riders are incredibly unsafe* until they've sorted out the "friction zone", throttle/shifting/gear ratios of their particular bike -- when you understand how your bike reacts from/between each gear and find yourself deciding between a dangerous white-knuckle-hard-stop[1] or a rapid down-shift, throttle and controlled escape, you're almost always safer escaping first, stopping second[2]. Escaping might require a downshift depending on where you're at. Left hand, left foot, throttle, release all happen at once and you hold on. :)

Having that level of control also makes it feel like you're doing something more than having a device move you from point A to point B* which makes it more fun, for me. Unfortunately, when it comes to a car, I have 4 wheels and do not have to manage lateral momentum as much around a turn. Having the half-second decrease in downshift time will give me more power but at the expense of an enormous amount of fuel and rarely to my benefit[3]. And just about every other feature of the car, except for the entertainment pieces, is designed to make driving as mindless/simple as possible. The only benefit, especially compared against modern/higher-end automatic transmissions--for cars--seems to be "it's fun".

[0] And, I'd imagine, electric motorcycles won't have power transmissions systems that require shifting.

[1] I have an ABS bike; similarly hated feature, because the thing it tries to save you from: wheel lock and a trip over the handlebars/under the bike, it often just converts into a less controllable version of the same result at a longer stopping distance. And being the stopped/out of control vehicle in an orderly set of moving vehicles is not good for anyone.

[2] Next time you see some dude on a crotch rocket like a complete jack-ass, pay close attention to context. There's been probably 10 occasions where drivers at the right angle would have thought I was being "one of those morons" when I was reacting to another driver who almost killed me because their phone was more interesting than moving the muscles required to check a blind spot.

[3] On four occasions since riding, I have found myself having to rapidly downshift, move to the left and ride the dashed line until I could get out from between two cars, one who didn't check their blind-spot before deciding to occupy the same point in space that I was comfortably enjoying. I would have been a sandwich in a car, but they'd probably have seen me, too.

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Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#42
> People often report feeling more attentive to the road while operating a manual transmission, as it requires them to more closely focus on the driving itself, but this isn’t something many people want while driving anymore.

This is something I very much want while driving; it's part of the reason I get around primarily by motorcycle. If driving is too easy, my attention wanders, and that's not really safe. A manual transmission gives me more engagement with the driving process and that helps keep my eyes on the road.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In contrast with this example (and the other nested examples), manual transmissions are still broadly available in your new 2021 vehicle straight from the manufacturer.

Not in the U.S. Miata, Wrangler, Mustang, and a handful of others, but they’re the exception rather than the rule.

My list might be dated.. Fords Focus ST/RS, Fiesta ST; VW GTI, Golf R; Honda Civic SI, Civic Type R, Accord; Toyota Tacoma, FRS/86; Subaru WRX/STI, Forester, BRZ.

Most of those are performance oriented. Those that aren't will probably be all automatics.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In contrast with this example (and the other nested examples), manual transmissions are still broadly available in your new 2021 vehicle straight from the manufacturer.

Not in the U.S. Miata, Wrangler, Mustang, and a handful of others, but they’re the exception rather than the rule.

So that's Mazda, Ford, Dodge. I know Subaru (WRX, BRZ, STI), Jeep (Wrangler), Nissan (370), Audi (A3), and Chevy (Malibu) do as well.

You won't find them at dealers very often (they're not popular) but they are available for most of the budget lines provided by the manufacturers.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#45

As long as there are markets where displacement is taxed there will be manual transmissions. A manual transmission lets YOU choose when to shift. That means you can keep the 1L engine that's pulling around your 5000lb barge up high near its peak power and get the performance you want. Contrast with an automatic transmission where you get the performance some engineer deems is an acceptable balance between what you wa…

> some engineer deems

How dare the engineer decide what's best for the engine?

Literally every automatic has the ability to shift into first gear as needed. Hell, my automatic 4-banger Dodge Neon had first gear and that thing couldn't tow a tricycle.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In contrast with this example (and the other nested examples), manual transmissions are still broadly available in your new 2021 vehicle straight from the manufacturer.

In reality, manuals are barely available at all. Dealers rarely stock them, so you have to special order. And then the manufacturer forces you to either take “Option Package A” if you want the manual, or decides that you absolutely cannot have “Option Package B” if you choose the manual. All the choices go away once you’ve decided on a manual. It’s like they are offering them to make the magazine writers happy but do…

IMO they're really there to provide the cheapest possible option for there "starting from as low as $X" marketing spiels. Of course they don't want to sell them if they can - they don't make anybody much money.

Yet they do exist (and from most major manufacturers), and if you're not after the bells and whistles, they make for a reasonable investment.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#47
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the U.S. Miata, Wrangler, Mustang, and a handful of others, but they’re the exception rather than the rule.

My list might be dated.. Fords Focus ST/RS, Fiesta ST; VW GTI, Golf R; Honda Civic SI, Civic Type R, Accord; Toyota Tacoma, FRS/86; Subaru WRX/STI, Forester, BRZ. Most of those are performance oriented. Those that aren't will probably be all automatics.

Ford has discontinued US sales of the Focus and Fiesta.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the U.S. Miata, Wrangler, Mustang, and a handful of others, but they’re the exception rather than the rule.

So that's Mazda, Ford, Dodge. I know Subaru (WRX, BRZ, STI), Jeep (Wrangler), Nissan (370), Audi (A3), and Chevy (Malibu) do as well. You won't find them at dealers very often (they're not popular) but they are available for most of the budget lines provided by the manufacturers.

“Most budget lines” (which I’m skeptical is accurate) is different from “broadly available”, but I suppose lacking any precise definitions of either phrase it’s not a useful argument.

Re: Each Decade That Passes, Fewer People Report Knowing How to Drive Stick Shifts

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that's Mazda, Ford, Dodge. I know Subaru (WRX, BRZ, STI), Jeep (Wrangler), Nissan (370), Audi (A3), and Chevy (Malibu) do as well. You won't find them at dealers very often (they're not popular) but they are available for most of the budget lines provided by the manufacturers.

“Most budget lines” (which I’m skeptical is accurate) is different from “broadly available”, but I suppose lacking any precise definitions of either phrase it’s not a useful argument.

> which I’m skeptical is accurate

Feel free to look for yourself. They list it under "powertrain" in the specs pages.

> is different from “broadly available”,

FWIW, my definition boils down to: available from most manufacturers, in the major form factors (truck, SUV, sedan, compact, sport).

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