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New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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The long key press and the clicking sound is why this would not be something I would choose. I think my next keyboard will be a logitech ergo k860 keyboard. I tried it at best buy and it feels so great to type on, and I know bluetooth will work. I just wished it had leds. If you're in the market for a keyboard, I would check that one out. Last year, I switched to keychron k1, A low profile mech keyboard. The lighting…

Topre dude. You'll thank and hate me later.

I actually switched from topre to a BTC 5140. A very nice, snappy and ubiquitous rubber dome keyboard. You can get one for 10 bucks.

It is like a topre for poor people.

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I think a lot of the hype around mechanical keyboards in general is overblown. I had a period of transitioning to mechanical keyboards. I couldn't get used to the high-rise keys and long travel times which made my wrists hurt and made typing a chore. I kept convincing myself that I just had the wrong type of switch, so I changed keyboards every few months seeking that perfect feeling. The closest I got was low-profil…

So I'm not alone. I really can't understand the appeal of a mechanical keyboard. - They are loud - They are expensive - The keys are massive and ugly - Massive travel time (So slow to type on) Sure they are a bit more customizable, but is that really worth all the drawbacks? Especially the worse typing, which is the main point of a keyboard. If you are a mechanical keyboard fanatic, and my comment angered you, please…

> - They are loud

That really depends. This one seems pretty quiet: https://youtu.be/rGM8Y6yal-8?t=337, but buckling spring keyboards are obnoxiously loud (IIRC from my childhood).

> - The keys are massive and ugly

That's only true if your preference is for laptop-style keyboards.

> - Massive travel time (So slow to type on)

IIRC, one of the main benefits of mechanical key-switches is that you don't have to bottom them out to activate them. On my keyboard, there's at least 50% more travel after the switch is activated, and the travel-to-activation doesn't seem massively different than a laptop keyboard.

Also, non-mechanical desktop-style keyboards require the most travel time of anything.

> Sure they are a bit more customizable, but is that really worth all the drawbacks? Especially the worse typing, which is the main point of a keyboard.

Honestly, I think one of the better arguments for mechanical keyboards is that most non-mechanical keyboards were designed with cost reduction as the top priority (or in the case of Apple, thinness for its own sake). I guess if you're used to that, it's fine, but gunning for cheap usually leads to quality compromises in other areas.

The most annoying things regarding mechanical keyboards is that the culture around them has weird obsessions (like stripping things down to the fewest possible keys and using stylish custom keycaps). For instance, when I was searching for a quiet keyboard video, I found this one (https://youtu.be/O3-9ttpaU0E?t=57), where they guy misses the point and thinks the cool thing about Symbolics keyboards was the keycap style, when it's really the seven modifier keys.

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> “This Keyboard is designed for the Mac” Ships with a USB-A cord... ?

Seriously? Is a simple USB-C cable that much more expensive than USB-A? Even if my MacBook shipped with USB-A or I had a mini or an iMac, I’d still prefer USB-C.

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Butterfly keyboard / low-travel. Am I the only person who has grown to love the butterfly keyboard? It take sooo much stress of my of joints to type since the travel is so shallow. I also type considerably faster with the shallower/lower travel required. I know folks had issues with reliability with he design but I guess I'm on the of the lucky few who hasn't had issues.

I love the Magic Keyboard and the keyboard on the new MacBook Air and I’m Ok with the Butterfly.

Recently I switched to using ergo/ split keyboards though and would have trouble going back.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of the hype around mechanical keyboards in general is overblown. I had a period of transitioning to mechanical keyboards. I couldn't get used to the high-rise keys and long travel times which made my wrists hurt and made typing a chore. I kept convincing myself that I just had the wrong type of switch, so I changed keyboards every few months seeking that perfect feeling. The closest I got was low-profil…

So I'm not alone. I really can't understand the appeal of a mechanical keyboard. - They are loud - They are expensive - The keys are massive and ugly - Massive travel time (So slow to type on) Sure they are a bit more customizable, but is that really worth all the drawbacks? Especially the worse typing, which is the main point of a keyboard. If you are a mechanical keyboard fanatic, and my comment angered you, please…

Type on what feels good to you. My favorite keyboards are mechanical (the Matias Mini Tactile Pro, nearly tied with a Vortex 3 using Cherry MX Clears), but my next favorite is Apple's Magic Keyboard. So much of this is ultimately subjective. The Tactile Pro key switches are absurdly loud, but the MX Clears really aren't, and I've been able to type 100+ words per minute on nearly all good keyboards -- the only ones that really throw me off are Apple's unlamented "butterfly" keyboard design and membrane-switch chiclets.

But, all I can say is "worse typing" is, well, super subjective. I type at least as well on mechanical keyboards, and I find my fingers don't get as tired when I'm using them. For what it's worth, I'm in my 50s, have been using mechanical keyboards for as much of the nearly 40 years I've been dorking with computers, and I've had very few RSI-related problems. I think I've been pretty good about ergonomics across the board, so I'm not going to ascribe that solely to keyswitches -- but I think they've definitely helped.

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The IBM Model M hype is absurdly overblown. Anyone who has used decent mechanical keyboards should be able to pretty much immediately notice just how cost-reduced that keyboard is. It is quite literally the cheapest buckling spring keyboard IBM managed to make in '89, and it shows. Cherry boards are often bashed for their flexing and wobbly cases, but the IBM Model M is hardly better with the top and lower parts of t…

My Model M was built in 1992, but still looks and feels brand-new.

Yeah I've been using the same 1994 Model M (M13 -- all black with a built in trackpoint) since... about 1995. Besides some dust build-up and me not having replaced the trackpoint nib and it being worn down it's still in mint condition.

Sure, they _could_ be built more solidly but I'm going to take a wild guess that 25 years is well beyond the lifetime a typical keyboard would be engineered for so it's probably still/already overbuilt.

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I wanted to use a mechanical keyboard for years but working from home with other people in the house or working in an open office environment made it difficult due to noise.

That was until I recently discovered the Gazzew Boba U4 tactile switches. These things feel amazing and are quieter than my crappy old non-mechanical keyboards!

This keyboard has been life changing. Total cost somewhere south of $200. I highly recommend looking into building one if you spend more than an hour per day on a keyboard.

Here's a video comparing the u4s to Cherry MX Browns: https://www.reddit.com/r/keyboards/comments/lmdy4s/mechanica...

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Hey, watch this! I'm going to burn a few million dollars of productivity with a post! I wanted to buy a new mechanical keyboard with a home office budget that my employer gave us, and a friend recommended I check out WASD Keyboards. (Up front: I have zero relationship with them except as a customer.) Wanna talk about analysis paralysis? The following killed a week of evenings for me: - Go to https://www.wasdkeyboards…

As a bonus, if anyone ever asks you what it's like to discover Photoshop filters for the first time, you can just point to your keyboard.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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post #217

I wanted to use a mechanical keyboard for years but working from home with other people in the house or working in an open office environment made it difficult due to noise. That was until I recently discovered the Gazzew Boba U4 tactile switches. These things feel amazing and are quieter than my crappy old non-mechanical keyboards! This keyboard has been life changing. Total cost somewhere south of $200. I highly re…

Yes, I have a wasd keyboard with the red switches and little rubber rings and it is very quiet and comfortable.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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There are plenty of trackballs available to plugin, just not anything mainstream in a laptop. I personally would love a return to keyboards at the front edge of the laptop, with a side mounted trackball; but I doubt I'll see that.

Oh baby https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Ma...

That's pretty awesome. Although I was thinking of something more like the Microsoft Ballpoint Mouse https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollection/detail.aspx?id=22...
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