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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by mchusma »

pascalmahe wrote: post #275

I've heard that this will be a disaster for amateur astronomy. Yet Starlink is claiming that their mitigation techniques will avoid the problem [0]. I can't tell if their claim is sound. Can someone with expertise weigh in? 0: https://www.spacex.com/updates/starlink-update-04-28-2020/in...

There is a cohort of astronomers that don't want earths orbit filled with humans. It's sort of a naturalistic argument, effectively that they will lose their ability to take photos of what they want. On the margin, it's good for people like SpaceX to try and do what they can to minimize negative externalities.

But I think that we as a race should not cater to them for a few reasons:

1) there is no precident for "owning" the sky above you to infinity, it's an odd position legally

2) there is another cohort of people that want to expand consciousness who are impeded by this NIMOP (Not In My Orbital Plane) crowd. We can fit a quadrillion humans comfortably on rotating space habitats. This seems like a better goal under most moral systems than retaining the right to take pretty pictures.

3) any loss of "science" due to the loss of ground based sensors would be more than offset by having a robust space presence.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by escalt »

rkangel wrote: post #382
escalt wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I don't have as much low level experience as you do, but in my eyes IPv6 is literally just IPv4 with more bits. Due to the increased number of possible addresses, IPv6 is used with some different (better) concepts than IPv4. For example having (very likely) unique local networks (ULAs) is amazing when you happen to merge previously independent networks together or do some VPN stuff. You pretty much never have…

The thing about IP and therefore with IPv6 is it's not just an address format - it's a set of protocols and practices so a lot of it changes. Address asignment in an IPv6 world is more complicated - you can do DHCPv6, or your can do stateless auto-config. Which should you choose and when? Many other aspects of the stack require more knowledge. And THEN you ALSO need to understand how v4 and v6 interacts so you can pr…

Using SLAAC is the way to go in most cases. DHCPv6 should only really be used when you have a network that is for some reason smaller than a /64.

In my opinion you shouldn't really bother with compatibility. Just do dual stack and maybe NAT IPv4 if necessary.

For my personal use cases IPv6 just proved to be much more versatile than IPv4. It did take some getting used to since it's approached differently, but learning it is very worth it and also helps using IPv4 better

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by mholm »

Roark66 wrote: post #420

I went to the site to see the prices... 100eur per month for 50-150Mbit connection? There are no data caps at the moment. I bet there will be soon. That is quite a bit more than people pay for their Internet access around here. I'm out in the countryside and I pay 20EUR per month for unlimited download LTE (15-25Mbps - I have a diy directional antenna to get the service where I am, without it I would get 1mb).I sure…

Starlink seems to be priced more for the American market, where internet access to your home generally costs about $40-50 USD/mo, and cell service (with ~20gb of data, aka 'unlimited') generally costs about $35-$70/mo. For a lot of people, this will replace one of those, AND be available anywhere you can put the antenna.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by CivBase »

I'm pretty pumped for the Starlink rollout even though my current ISP provides better service at a lower rate.

I work remotely, so a quality internet service is a big concern for me when looking for a new home. Once Starlink is available, I don't have to worry so much about that.

It also provides many ISPs with much-needed competition, even at that price point. Even though my parents live in a suburb which should have good connectivity options, they pay almost as much as a Starlink subscription for lower bandwidths plus a data cap.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by rthomas6 »

sschueller wrote: post #328
whylo wrote: post #316

Interesting snippet from the terms of service: > For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

So whom ever gets there first makes the rules? However if this is not suppped to be a joke then this is absolutely insane. There is no way humans, other then maybe a few austranouts will make it to mars in the next 20 years by which this service will be obsolete or no longer exist. Edit: If HN is still around in 20 years I will be asking you to reconsider your down votes.

Applicability aside, how else could it even work, other than colony self-governance? Otherwise what's to stop one country from just claiming the whole planet when they get there? You could still have colonies ruled by certain countries, the way I read the sentence.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by 93po »

RapidFire wrote: post #336
whylo wrote: post #316

Interesting snippet from the terms of service: > For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

History tells us it is far better to let Martians govern themselves. The colonies would eventually rebel regardless; might as well embrace it and let them dictate their own laws. That being said. Guns on mars! GUNS ON MARS!!! They have a rIGHt to hunt space deer!

Mars will be independent until they discover vast deposits of space oil, at which point George W Bush's son will continue his family's war mongering and invade

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by 93po »

mholm wrote: post #424
Roark66 wrote: post #420

I went to the site to see the prices... 100eur per month for 50-150Mbit connection? There are no data caps at the moment. I bet there will be soon. That is quite a bit more than people pay for their Internet access around here. I'm out in the countryside and I pay 20EUR per month for unlimited download LTE (15-25Mbps - I have a diy directional antenna to get the service where I am, without it I would get 1mb).I sure…

Starlink seems to be priced more for the American market, where internet access to your home generally costs about $40-50 USD/mo, and cell service (with ~20gb of data, aka 'unlimited') generally costs about $35-$70/mo. For a lot of people, this will replace one of those, AND be available anywhere you can put the antenna.

And the American market where an ISP will charge you $10,000 to actually lay fiber to your house so you can get service

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by CivBase »

sschueller wrote: post #328
whylo wrote: post #316

Interesting snippet from the terms of service: > For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

So whom ever gets there first makes the rules? However if this is not suppped to be a joke then this is absolutely insane. There is no way humans, other then maybe a few austranouts will make it to mars in the next 20 years by which this service will be obsolete or no longer exist. Edit: If HN is still around in 20 years I will be asking you to reconsider your down votes.

> However if this is not suppped to be a joke then this is absolutely insane.

I'm not sure how to interpret it as anything other than a joke. Humans might make it to Mars in the next 20 years, but the idea that we will have established a colony there along with an array of Starlink satellites to provide internet service and, presumably, a means of connecting the Martian internet back to Earth's... well, that's over-ambitious even by Musk's standards.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by minusSeven »

herpderperator wrote: post #265
itronitron wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much does it cost?

(I am not OP, but this is pretty easily found on the site.) $499 USD for the dish, $99 USD per month for service (no data cap.) Price seems to change to local currency if your country is not USA.

>Price seems to change to local currency if your country is not USA.

Doesn't change to Rupees in India despite being able to find the address. Still shows 99$ for me.

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