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New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by rsfern »

mewse wrote: post #75
schwartzworld wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably don't speak for everybody, but I can try to speak to your points above: - They are loud They can be loud, depending on the switches you get. However, some people feel that they benefit from it. The loud clicks are satisfying in some way. Maybe it's an ASMR thing for some people. For me, the sound feels like feedback. - They are expensive They can be. But so can regular keyboards. My first mechanical was li…

> They can be loud, depending on the switches you get. It’s worth noting that for folks who don’t know proper typing technique (which is probably nearly everybody under the age of 40, as nobody really teaches it any more, at least in the countries where I’ve lived) it almost doesn’t matter what sort of mechanical switch you’re using, in terms of noise. In my experience, the majority of mechanical keyboard noise for m…

This matches my experience as well. It’s really hard to break the habit of typing super hard.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by rbanffy »

nbzso wrote: post #92

Kinesis Advantage/Ergodox/Dactyl. This are the keyboards for people that type every day for long periods of time. Taking your health seriously and early is smartest decision that you can make. All other keyboards are designed by adopting typewriter designs. https://www.publicspace.net/blog/ergonomic/2017/01/11/long-t...

The Kinesis also looks perfectly at home in a science-fiction set. It feels OK, the ergonomics are excellent and the looks are unbeatable.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by znpy »

Krisando wrote: post #63
znpy wrote: post #57

I own a real model m and an unicomp endura pro. The model m was cheap because I literally pulled it out of the dumpster. The endura pro was a complete waste of A LOT of money considering double shipping (usa to usa and usa to europe since they would not ship to europe, and that implies a re-shipping handling fee) and import duties on top of that. The keyboard is loud but doesn't add anything really to my typing. And…

> I own a real model m I have one made in 1986. > The endura pro was a complete waste of A LOT of money considering double shipping (usa to usa and usa to europe since they would not ship to europe, and that implies a re-shipping handling fee) and import duties on top of that. That's so strange, they delivered directly to Europe for me. I have an older unicomp and a newer unicomp since the retooling last year. > The…

> That's so strange, they delivered directly to Europe for me.

they did not for me. I had my purchase cancelled, then I had half-an-argument with a support agent, then I had to buy again and set shipping to an US address (actually a re-shipping company)

edit: they cancelled my order specifically and explicitly because I wanted it delivered to europe. and I had paid the price and shipping their website told me to.

> Compared to my previous mechanical gaming keyboard which used linear switches and other membrane keyboards, I don't typo really at all on any of these keyboards. I think the tactile response is what helps with that for me.

I have a farily low error rate with most of my keyboards, as long as I can get some time for getting acquainted (let's say, 30min). the fact that a keyboard s mechanical (or spring-based, as in the case of the model m/ unicomp) doesn't really adds anything, besides noise.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by Krisando »

rbanffy wrote: post #93
Krisando wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who owns one of their keyboards since the retooling in 2020, it pretty much invalidates reviews on their keyboards prior to it.

That's sad to hear. I have a 122-key that's about 5yo now and it's, by far, my favorite keyboard. What happened?

It's hard to describe other than, the new model m is just better than previous classic and endura pro.

I find them more sturdy, almost no key wiggle (as opposed to having some before), the lettering on the keys are clearer (although that I didn't notice until someone pointed it out and didn't care after, it was something people complained about), the enclosure doesn't creek if you try to flex it etc.

My only complaint is that I had to put white tape on the LED indicators to diffuse the blue LEDs because they're distractingly bright at night otherwise.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by bluGill »

scaladev wrote: post #56
benlumen wrote: post #10

I told myself this would be my next keyboard years ago. So know this about mechanical keyboards in general - choose wisely, because you'll be stuck with it. First, you won't ever go back to rubber dome like everyone always says, but second, the damn things don't seem to wear out. I'm still using the original Razer Blackwidow that I bought in first year uni - 2010. I thought I'd managed to kill it with beer in the fir…

Not to rain on your parade, but 10 years is nothing. I'm still using my cheap A4Tech KV-300H bought back in early 2011 for about $15. It works just as it did the day it was bought, except for some minor cosmetic wear. It had tea, coffee, and water poured on it about a dozen times, continuing working as before after a few hours in a warm place. I really don't get the usual "get one mechanical keyboard and it'll serve…

If your happy with your keyboard, then I'm happy with it. I personally like the way the model-M feels (I'm now using a mechanical keyboard for noise reasons and it is not as good). I don't expect you to feel the same as me, but if you haven't seriously tried the options I expect you to be honest enough to admit that you don't have an opinion.

Good keyboards are not about how long they last. They are about how your primary interface to the computer feels. How long they last is part of value, you might like something really expensive and choose to use something you like less because you don't find the other worse the cost.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by bluGill »

michaelt wrote: post #30

> The New Model M is a typing keyboard, not a gaming keyboard. If you care about “ghosting,” it’s not the keyboard for you. Ghosting is when a keyboard stops registering new key presses when you hold down multiple keys at the same time. I was under the impression that most games prized compatibility with normal membrane keyboards, and so chose keys that don't alias. For example shift, ctrl and alt keys are less prone…

Games can try, but different keyboards have different aliasing behaviors, so nobody can honestly claim to work with every keyboard - if nothing else because they didn't test with future keyboards that have not yet entered the design phase.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by nottorp »

ubercow13 wrote: post #82
nottorp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just look at the pictures on the homepage... Maybe after scrolling there are pictures of more modern layouts, but not before. 16:10 deskop monitor with the browser maximized. > to me and american-made keyboard just sounds like grandure posturing It makes me think of Razer requiring to be signed into a cloud account to configure your mouse and keyboard. Yeah, I know they gave up on that, but only because of the back…

It's in the first and main image on the homepage, and if you look at the actual models, the F77 one has arrow keys.

https://imgur.com/BQmNtl4

Maybe they do A/B testing if you see a non compact one when opening the page.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by nbzso »

rbanffy wrote: post #102
nbzso wrote: post #92

Kinesis Advantage/Ergodox/Dactyl. This are the keyboards for people that type every day for long periods of time. Taking your health seriously and early is smartest decision that you can make. All other keyboards are designed by adopting typewriter designs. https://www.publicspace.net/blog/ergonomic/2017/01/11/long-t...

The Kinesis also looks perfectly at home in a science-fiction set. It feels OK, the ergonomics are excellent and the looks are unbeatable.

Yep, after initial frustration 1/2 weeks adaptation exercises I am amazed how this thing is invisible when used. The option for modifying keys and macros is very handy, and saving all mods on the board is making it portable. The only thing that I have against is the low quality of the case. But in the context of comfort and health this is minor gripe to have:)

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by monadic3 »

executesorder66 wrote: post #45
skocznymroczny wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of the hype around mechanical keyboards in general is overblown. I had a period of transitioning to mechanical keyboards. I couldn't get used to the high-rise keys and long travel times which made my wrists hurt and made typing a chore. I kept convincing myself that I just had the wrong type of switch, so I changed keyboards every few months seeking that perfect feeling. The closest I got was low-profil…

So I'm not alone. I really can't understand the appeal of a mechanical keyboard. - They are loud - They are expensive - The keys are massive and ugly - Massive travel time (So slow to type on) Sure they are a bit more customizable, but is that really worth all the drawbacks? Especially the worse typing, which is the main point of a keyboard. If you are a mechanical keyboard fanatic, and my comment angered you, please…

I can't remember a single time typing speed has impacted my work, fwiw, and it's much harder to hurt your wrist with the longer travel.

Re: New Model M Is an American-Made Keyboard That Puts a Spring Back in Your Typing

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Post by pjsg »

3dbrows wrote: post #5

There are probably several dozen of us reading this thread who are still using ancient Model Ms. I have a Greenock-made UK model (built 1988-11-15) which feels indestructible. The Greenock IBM factory closed down years ago, sadly, so there won't be any more coming from there. The factory has been the site of some interesting urban exploration. [1][2] [1] https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/ibm-greenock-dec-2008....…

My model M (daily use on a Mac) was built 24-sep-1987 plant code J1 which seems likely to have been Lexington KY.

I really need to pop all the key caps off and clean them as some of them are pretty grungy.

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