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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by knorker »

thinkingemote wrote: post #459
knorker wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right don't have agenda-pushing affect their world view? Huh? There was recently an attempted insurrection based on fake news, you know. I must say though that Fox News has gotten downright rational (on all things) since then. Politically biased, sure, but they're actually news lately.

the comment you replied to didn't comment about the right, but that bias is "harder to spot/acknowledge for people on the left" The implied reverse therefore would be that it's easier for people on the right to see bias in the media. Not that the right dont have bias.

> The implied reverse therefore would be that it's easier for people on the right to see bias in the media.

Yeah, that's also what I read. And as evidence to the contrary I pointed out that some people had their world view changed so much that they tried to overthrow the government.

Which tells me that they didn't see the agenda they were being pushed.

Which contradicts the comment's point.

Note that in no way do I disagree that the left has a problem too.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by csomar »

lostlogin wrote: post #372
px43 wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I closed my Wells Fargo account, they took out all my money, charged me some account closing fee, which over-drafted and fell back to a credit card which now had a balance on it due to the overdraft and they told me they couldn't close my account. I think I ended up paying something like 130 dollars of fees just to close my account, but at that point they'd already screwed me over so many times that I just paid…

I closed a bank account in the UK in about 2001. I emptied it at an atm then walked into the bank to close it. The cashier gave me all the cash I’d already taken from the account.

Do you mean you got your balance twice?

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by knorker »

asxd wrote: post #382
knorker wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right don't have agenda-pushing affect their world view? Huh? There was recently an attempted insurrection based on fake news, you know. I must say though that Fox News has gotten downright rational (on all things) since then. Politically biased, sure, but they're actually news lately.

I don’t think any of the parent commenters were trying to say this phenomena didn’t happen on the right as well. Obviously we’ve seen a huge swell of right wing media trying to coerce the viewer into a certain set of opinions. If anything that’s all the more reason to be very mindful of the same effect occurring in other media publications.

The quote "It's harder to spot/acknowledge for people on the left" sounds to me like patronizing "I'm simply right, whereas you are fooled by your media".

It shows a strong assumption that while that commenter is able to see the difference between bias and misinformation, the left cannot. And I don't buy it.

Neither people who watch Fox News nor people who watch NBC News buy it hook line and sinker.

So considering there was an attempted coup, and that many people still believe the election was rigged and that trump will come back in power (arresting biden) in the beginning of March doesn't exactly speak well for the "especially on the left".

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by [deleted] »

uka wrote: post #147

I just unsubscribed using web form. There are some dark patterns involved but not too dark. E.g. first option is the chat with representative, second is the call by phone and third option is the web form. After I have navigated 3 pages using "default button" for canceling the unsubscription process - it is done. It's not the best experience, but not the nightmare the OP described.

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Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by swebs »

tallanvor wrote: post #438
chmod600 wrote: post #278

I just cancelled and it was relatively painless, to their credit. When they asked the reason, I said that political coverage was unfair. Left is OK, unfair is not. I don't consider myself "on the left" but I really don't mind a publication being left of center or right of center. If it's good, I will pay for it (I subscribed tp The Atlantic at least twice, and the New Yorker once, and probably others in a mix of prin…

NYT is quite right of center on many issues. They're not as conservative as WSJ, but they're definitely not a leftist publication.

No, the problem is that left-vs-right doesn't really have a standard, global definition, so in an average internet discussion, you can have several people using their own definitions and not understanding that the person they're talking to is trying to say something completely different. To some, maybe mostly in Europe, its socialism vs capitalism. Whereas in others, maybe mostly in the USA, its SJWism vs Conservatism, or even Democrat vs Republican. The modern NYT (>2015) is definitely not pushing socialism, but they are pretty much anti-Republican, anti-white, pro-LGBT, pro-Antifa/BLM, etc to such an extent that's pretty far removed from the common American, or even the common New Yorker, and more like its coming from some Twitter echo chamber.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by MauranKilom »

shhac wrote: post #474
vincnetas wrote: post #461

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Im not native english speaker, so i'm curious is word "notoriously" is used here properly. What i know "notoriously" means "known for something bad".

Notorious has at least two similar meanings; the more common one is "known unfavourably", the second meaning is a neutral "known", not positive or negative. Most people only see the word used in the negative light so shy from it in the neutral use case to avoid being ambiguous or assumed negativity. Using it with an adjective to clarify the meaning here is fine.

As a non-native speaker, my understanding of "notorious" so far has been what you described as the neutral form. However, to me, it does have a slight connotation of obsession or "doing it so much as to be annoying".

I am obviously not an authoritative source on how words are understood, but just wanted to add this data point.

Re: Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take to cancel it

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Post by pembrook »

thinkingemote wrote: post #466
tallanvor wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYT is quite right of center on many issues. They're not as conservative as WSJ, but they're definitely not a leftist publication.

Looking at the USA from European eyes, there are no leftist publications, nor any left mainstream politicians there!

Someone in China could say the same thing about Europe. There’s hardly any communist mainstream politicians and publications there!
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