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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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> this is pretty easily found on the site Is it though? Perhaps it's because it's not available in Croatia, but there is nothing on the front page that mentions price, and it's not in the FAQ either.

In my experience, if you enter the desired service address it is the very next thing that's displayed.

thanks, after putting in the service address all I see is a $99 deposit and no mention of a monthly or annual fee...

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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How much does it cost?

(I am not OP, but this is pretty easily found on the site.) $499 USD for the dish, $99 USD per month for service (no data cap.) Price seems to change to local currency if your country is not USA.

£439 for hardware, £89/month service, £54 delivery in the UK. The equivalent of US$611, $124 and $75 respectively at today's rates. Our prices include sales tax (VAT) though.

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Note, it says you cannot take your Starlink to a different address (or I suppose, put it on a boat, plane, RV, etc): https://www.starlink.com/faq "Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address? Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell. Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you mov…

I will test this.

I’d be really interested to know how much motion the current terminal can tolerate? Does it lock at the slightest vibration or only if moving at vehicle speed?

I’m thinking about putting it on a boat at anchor or at a dock.

Thanks

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What most people don't understand, is that Starlink is a military first service. Their primary customer is the US military. The most obvious application is UAVs where latency is critical. The consumer part is probably just marketing. It doesn't make much economic sense. Imagine they wanted to launch 1000s of classified military satellites. Everyone would be opposed.

This is something that is fascinating to me about really all of Musk's businesses - they all seem to be in some way misrepresenting themselves to the general public. And they all actually rely on insights into how governments have to spend at an enormous scale. And all of them make things that are of extreme strategic importance on a global scale. Like I'm not one for conspiracy bullshit, but there must be a deeper s…

I mean, customers from all over the world using an USA ISP for their internet access, which can be tapped easily to gather mass surveillance data is a very valid reason to be paranoid :)

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Thanks - what does a regular traceroute look like? Any discernible pattern for the hops through the constellation? Any general thoughts about the topology? I appreciate it. My family got into the beta today, not just the pre-order but it sounds like it won't ship for a few weeks. Thanks again.

Traceroutes are all going out to the world through this google AS right now. Using the hurricane tool as a convenient GUI presentation of what it is: https://bgp.he.net/AS36492 nothing obviously satellite related shows up at layer 3. There's a few hops of stuff with no rDNS, and then the edge of the AS36492 network and whatever transits or peers your traffic is going to. You can clearly discern from pinging your firs…

> satellites need to be simultaneously in view of your terminal and a spacex earth station.

Does that mean that there is no connection between satellites?

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Interesting snippet from the terms of service:

> For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

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> b. no ipv6 yet. They have people who know what they are doing for neteng so I am sure it is planned. heh, my assumption when I hear that people who know what they're doing are involved is the opposite ;) Thank you for the detailed report! I'm very excited for the tech, especially once the lasers are up and it doesn't rely on the base station (i.e. I can take my uplink on a road trip)

Lol, the fact that they just went with IPv4 supports the theory that they know what they're doing. I've read multiple tutorials on IPv6 and it's so complicated that I still can't grasp how it all works in my head. For some context, I've personally written an Ethernet IPv4 network stack with DHCP from scratch. I also worked on Ethernet switch firmware, coincidentally for SpaceX...

> it's so complicated that I still can't grasp how it all works

I have seen too many people that have the same excuse. The advise I gave them is to forgot all the things learnt from IPv4 and study IPv6 as a totally new IP stack.

The problem is people look at it from IPv4 view, which is a currently a mess with IPv4 exhaustion.

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> beta-only limitation though There's no way you are crossing borders with it and transmitting from a country where it's not approved.

Who is responsible for a regional law like the Cuban one mentioned in this thread? Would Starlink be held responsible, or would it be the one moving a receiver across the border?

Usually is the person smuggling it or installing it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Gross
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