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How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

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Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

#11

What's the point of flying a helicopter on Mars? What scientifically relevant data do you get? Its fun and cool but why?

main thing I've seen on mark rober's youtube is that it allows you to really scout out locations with a speed unheard of for rovers.

Also, you can't really(easily) get a helicoper stuck on rocks :)

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

#12

What's the point of flying a helicopter on Mars? What scientifically relevant data do you get? Its fun and cool but why?

I would have thought atmospheric data that you can't get elsewhere - you'd be able to learn things about pressure and wind at altitudes that rovers can't get to.

I don't think it will fly that high to make a measurably difference to ground level. It only flies for 90 seconds. How high can you get in that time?

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

#13

Unfortunately the article does not talk about how this helicopter would fare in a sandstorm. Are the winds strong enough to tip it over?

There is practically no wind on Mars. The wind speed is super high, but the air density is so low it won't impact anything more than dust.

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

#15
Seems shortsighted to end this mission after 30 days.

I imagine it's purely for mission planning complexity reasons. But a more sensible approach seems to be to say "after 30 days you have to limit comms to 100 bytes/sec back to earth and stay 100 meters from the rover".

In the future I could imagine the more modern processor on the helicopter might become handy... Some neural network based navigation system might run on it but not the rover main cpu... Also the helicopter might be able to get very good aerial photos that could be turned into 3d models to figure out the best spots to do science. It should be able to see much better than orbital radars.

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

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post #8

So many interesting details in this article. Snapdragon 801-based hw running Linux, sensor fusion from three sensors whereof some bought COTS from sparkfun (who make breakout boards for sensors, basically the sensor datasheet recommended design). 3 flights planned, but potentially more which will be planned after the three first. 30 day lifetime window, due to dependecy on the rover, which needs to conserve resources…

This is the coolest part of the mission IMO.

My big question is where does it land? Does it dock with the rover? It seems to power itself via a solar array. About 100 days into the mission they plan on launching the helicopter for the tiny lifespan window.

I think the limit on its lifespan is really, "How long until destroyed by wind/dust". And then how long until it cannot charge its own batteries/sustain itself.

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

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post #8

So many interesting details in this article. Snapdragon 801-based hw running Linux, sensor fusion from three sensors whereof some bought COTS from sparkfun (who make breakout boards for sensors, basically the sensor datasheet recommended design). 3 flights planned, but potentially more which will be planned after the three first. 30 day lifetime window, due to dependecy on the rover, which needs to conserve resources…

This is the coolest part of the mission IMO. My big question is where does it land? Does it dock with the rover? It seems to power itself via a solar array. About 100 days into the mission they plan on launching the helicopter for the tiny lifespan window. I think the limit on its lifespan is really, "How long until destroyed by wind/dust". And then how long until it cannot charge its own batteries/sustain itself.

I agree, this is the coolest part, but the most useful part for humanity is MOXIE.

It lands on the ground. And yes, dust on the panels is a big concern. (I work at JPL but not on Perseverance / Ingenuity)

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

#19
One thing that I have been wondering, if the atmosphere is so thin, then how does the RTG cool? I seem to have nerd-sniped myself.

It needs a temperature differential to generate electric current and it looks to have fins for convective cooling but the atmospheric pressure is a few % of that of sea level Earth.

Re: How NASA Designed a Helicopter That Could Fly Autonomously on Mars

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post #8

So many interesting details in this article. Snapdragon 801-based hw running Linux, sensor fusion from three sensors whereof some bought COTS from sparkfun (who make breakout boards for sensors, basically the sensor datasheet recommended design). 3 flights planned, but potentially more which will be planned after the three first. 30 day lifetime window, due to dependecy on the rover, which needs to conserve resources…

There's a bit of info here too : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQu9m4MG5Gc
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