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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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How much does it cost?

(I am not OP, but this is pretty easily found on the site.) $499 USD for the dish, $99 USD per month for service (no data cap.) Price seems to change to local currency if your country is not USA.

> this is pretty easily found on the site

Is it though? Perhaps it's because it's not available in Croatia, but there is nothing on the front page that mentions price, and it's not in the FAQ either.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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This seems very much like a beta-only limitation though.

> beta-only limitation though There's no way you are crossing borders with it and transmitting from a country where it's not approved.

That's an interesting point.

I noticed this:

https://www.canadasatellite.ca/Satellite-Phone-Limitations.h...

"While satellite phones work essentially anywhere on earth, there are some physical and political limitations."

one limitation was not what I expected:

"Cuba restricts the use of satellite phones because they’re seen as tools for subversive purposes"

Back to starlink - I think distributed living is a wonderful if not the most wonderful application of this.

I can imagine in a number of years having a tesla pull a trailer with fold-out solar panels. Have a little self-sufficient base camp with power for climate, cooking, transportation. And now internet.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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That kind of sucks, maybe in the future they will allow you to move about. I don't see why you couldn't travel with the array. I can understand if the dish were moving but if you just have your RV parked it seems like you should just be able to just jump online.

I'm sure very soon you'll be able to pay a premium to use any cell.

There are almost certainly always going to be restrictions, because the bandwidth density on the ground is going to be limited.

For example, a lot of recreational boaters are likely to get a terminal, which will work well over the open ocean. However, when all of those boaters tie their boat at the LA marina, there is absolutely no hope that the system can provide anything even approximating good service to them. So mobile starlink connections will almost certainly come with some language about how they work so long as you stay away from other people.

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I've heard that this will be a disaster for amateur astronomy. Yet Starlink is claiming that their mitigation techniques will avoid the problem [0]. I can't tell if their claim is sound. Can someone with expertise weigh in?

0:https://www.spacex.com/updates/starlink-update-04-28-2020/in...

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I have heard speculation that the issue is actually satellite signal steering. They’re using phased array antennas on both sides so the satellites need to know where to be listening

If it was just knowing where to focus, the terminal could send a low bitrate signal with that information. And/or they could let you punch in new coordinates before you go somewhere.

The satellite doesn't steer towards the user. Steering is too slow and there are too few beams to steer to all users.

Instead the satellite steers towards an arbitrary area on the ground, and the users must be within that area to work.

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> If a sat flies over a city "Musk said there will be plenty of bandwidth in areas with low population densities and that there will be some customers in big cities. But he cautioned against expecting that everyone in a big city would be able to use Starlink. "The challenge for anything that is space-based is that the size of the cell is gigantic... it's not good for high-density situations," Musk said." https://arst…

Other than the cool factor I’m not sure why you’d want it in a city. I get gigabit for 60$ a month and star link will never match the latency I get due to physics. If it was cheap enough I’d love to get it for traveling but it should be used for things like that not to replace your inner city connection.

Depends on where in the city. If I were closer to the city, I could probably get something better from Comcast, but CenturyLink bonded vdsl2 is 80Mbps down/10Mbps up, 20 ms round trip to PPPoE concentrator, $60ish/month. Starlink seems to have maybe better upload and comparable download and latency, and won't go down when the DSLAM (or whatever it's called for vdsl) loses utility power, like my centurylink service does or 2-4 hours later like the cell towers do.

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Why couldn’t intersatellite laser links have similar capacity to fiber? In principle, if not practice? Is it because ISLs will require more powerful lasers because the light is focused through a lens instead of guided through a fiber?

probably less (literal) bandwidth, lasers are expensive

That and because the atmosphere is not clear (this is why 1Gbps free space laser network bridges have very limited range), the links from satellite to earth in any rf band will be very small in capacity as compared to a singlemode fiber cable. Space to space lasers, sure... Much clearer.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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If it was just knowing where to focus, the terminal could send a low bitrate signal with that information. And/or they could let you punch in new coordinates before you go somewhere.

The satellite doesn't steer towards the user. Steering is too slow and there are too few beams to steer to all users. Instead the satellite steers towards an arbitrary area on the ground, and the users must be within that area to work.

That's why it would break if you leave the active cells entirely. It's not why it would break if you move from one active cell into a different active cell.

And they don't have that many satellites. Each one needs to have a pretty large active area.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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(I am not OP, but this is pretty easily found on the site.) $499 USD for the dish, $99 USD per month for service (no data cap.) Price seems to change to local currency if your country is not USA.

> this is pretty easily found on the site Is it though? Perhaps it's because it's not available in Croatia, but there is nothing on the front page that mentions price, and it's not in the FAQ either.

In my experience, if you enter the desired service address it is the very next thing that's displayed.
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