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Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by edgyquant »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #137
nuker wrote: post #98

Whats one satellite bandwidth? If a sat flies over a city with, say, 100k subscribers, and 10% is watching 4k video on Netflix? There gonna be limits, right?

> If a sat flies over a city "Musk said there will be plenty of bandwidth in areas with low population densities and that there will be some customers in big cities. But he cautioned against expecting that everyone in a big city would be able to use Starlink. "The challenge for anything that is space-based is that the size of the cell is gigantic... it's not good for high-density situations," Musk said." https://arst…

Other than the cool factor I’m not sure why you’d want it in a city. I get gigabit for 60$ a month and star link will never match the latency I get due to physics. If it was cheap enough I’d love to get it for traveling but it should be used for things like that not to replace your inner city connection.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by voldacar »

walrus01 wrote: post #143
voldacar wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the total power consumption of the system when in use? How often do packets get dropped? Have you given it a try with quake or counterstrike?

It's 100-140W. Mine is averaging about 0.5% packet loss over a 3 hour period. There will be very brief periods of slightly higher loss. I don't play a lot of fps but most realtime lag, loss and jitter sensitive applications work just fine.

Thanks.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by nuker »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #137
nuker wrote: post #98

Whats one satellite bandwidth? If a sat flies over a city with, say, 100k subscribers, and 10% is watching 4k video on Netflix? There gonna be limits, right?

> If a sat flies over a city "Musk said there will be plenty of bandwidth in areas with low population densities and that there will be some customers in big cities. But he cautioned against expecting that everyone in a big city would be able to use Starlink. "The challenge for anything that is space-based is that the size of the cell is gigantic... it's not good for high-density situations," Musk said." https://arst…

> it's not aimed at people that live in cities

People are, u know, people. They will defy the "not designed for you" clause. Still, is there a number for one sat bandwidth?

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Post by smaudet »

We should be banning this nonsense...

All this talk of uplink on the roads...for what? Uploading cat vids? Going into the wilderness and not cord cutting? Spying on people? So your phone has an excuse to be on more often?

There are no real justifiable applications to this tech, and it comes at real cost, to our scientific understanding of the universe, to our general ability to appreciate nature, and even arguably to our ability to transition to new tech (what's the realistic upgrade scenario here, so far nobody has successfully safely pulled a junked satellite out of orbit, not to mention the issue of space junk), all so some geeks can play vidya games in the woods?

Fuck. That.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by sinak »

A lot of people seem to think that Starlink will compete with Comcast/Cox/Spectrum/etc in suburban areas. But it won't.

Starlink is great, and people are right to be excited about it as an option for signal in truly rural areas. But it simply won't have the capacity necessary to serve a meaningful number of users in any kind of semi-dense application.

Starlink is like a 4G/5G cellular network except there's no way to increase capacity in a specific area. That makes it great at covering areas with very low population density, but absolutely terrible for even medium-density zones.

If you're stuck in a suburban or exurban area with terrible options for broadband, your best option is likely a 4G or 5G router. There a number of different truly unlimited plans out there (e.g. Calyx). If signal isn't good enough indoors, you can purchase outdoor MIMO antennas to get better results.

Starlink is great if you're in area with very low population density. That's a lot of the US, but not a lot of the US population.

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Post by aero-glide2 »

secfirstmd wrote: post #54

I'm currently in the middle of trying to help loads of human rights defenders in Myanmar plan to deal with the internet shut downs that are happening. Satellite stuff like Iridium is too crazily expensive to be useful. I really wish some thing like this was available.

Starlink will always follow local regulations. Its easy for the government to triangulate the location of user terminals.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by AdamJacobMuller »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #132
walrus01 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in terms of raw capacity, I do not think that the intersatellite laser links (if/when they do get that working, which is a long ways off, 10 out of the 1050+ satellites right now have them, and none in production use), will approach anywhere near the capacity of a 40 or 80 channel, coherent 100/200/400GbE DWDM submarine line terminal. it's a whole other order of magnitudes.

Do the markets need lots of bandwidth? Or just-enough with the lowest possible latency

Markets don't, but, GP said:

"I can't imagine much appetite for any future under-sea cabling out of Australia"

And the reality is that satellites can not compete with the bandwidth of subsea cables for bulk data transfer, HFT is a whole other world.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by aero-glide2 »

partiallypro wrote: post #117

I pre-ordered and will probably not get it until July/August, I'm pretty excited about it. One thing I noticed when pre-ordering is that it didn't offer to sell me roof mount, which I'll need... I hope I can buy this later? I know they sell them but it wasn't an add on for the pre-order.

Preorder just puts you in the queue. Yes you can buy it later.
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