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Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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Would GDPR or other regulation apply to the data that these model is trained with? Is it not a risk that the model will record some private information in someone's email?

Yes, it has been shown [1] that these models can memorize information even if it only appears once in the training data. It could potentially cause issues with privacy and especially copyright. However, in this case it's not relevant because they didn't release the model weights.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.07805

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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Would GDPR or other regulation apply to the data that these model is trained with? Is it not a risk that the model will record some private information in someone's email?

Yes, it has been shown [1] that these models can memorize information even if it only appears once in the training data. It could potentially cause issues with privacy and especially copyright. However, in this case it's not relevant because they didn't release the model weights. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.07805

Even if they did not, they have it for themselves. If this uses any personal data, then GDPR and other regulations may not be getting respected.

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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lol they didn’t open source the model weights

Is this because they are afraid of the model misused, like used for generating fake reviews? It is frustrating that I've been hearing great news on NLP but am able to try none of them myself.

It's because the model weights are the valuable thing here. The fancy new architectures are nice and everything, but transformer models are a dime a dozen these days. Seems like they're using this as an example to point at and say "Hey, look at us, we support open source!", whereas unless you're willing to go ahead and spend a small fortune on compute (possibly using their GPUs), these models are somewhat useless.

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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lol they didn’t open source the model weights

If I did the math right it would be 3.12TB of weights, maybe they are trying to upload it to gdrive still. (/s, probably)

Weights are just numbers (probably floats?), right?

This model has 3.12TB of floats??? That's insane. How do you load that into memory for inferencing?

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I did the math right it would be 3.12TB of weights, maybe they are trying to upload it to gdrive still. (/s, probably)

Weights are just numbers (probably floats?), right? This model has 3.12TB of floats??? That's insane. How do you load that into memory for inferencing?

Use x1e.32xlarge on AWS with 3TB of RAM. Just $12,742/mo - https://calculator.aws/#/estimate?id=7428fa81192c57087ac8cdf...

Alternatively order something like the HP Z8 with 3TB RAM configured, which is only $75k - https://zworkstations.com/configurations/2040422/

It's interesting. It would take ~six years for the Z8 to break even compared to AWS, but traffic into and out of the machine would be $0, and I don't think you're running directly on the metal with AWS, so performance would probably be a bit higher. And then there's storage - I configured, uhh, 120TB of a mixture of SSDs and HDDs. I'm not even going to try and ask AWS for a comparible quote there.

I may or may not have added dual Xeon Platinum 8280s to the Z8 as well. :P

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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There is something fundamentally wrong with these models.

The brain "works" because it's evolved structure matches or reflects reality. It is not about having billions of neurons, but about to have the right structure which matches the environment.

My favourite example is how butterflies evolve pictures of eyes on its wings to scare predators, having literally no idea about existence of other creatures.

It has been evolved because other creatures have eyes, and they are there, of course.

The proper structure of neural networks must be based on such fundamental features, like "most of creatures have eyes" and similar ones.

Brain does not have a flat structure, like a billion x billion matrix. It is more clever and simpler that that.

A language model must be based on the fundamental notion that there are nouns (things), verbs (processes) and adjectives (attributes). It is that simple.

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weights are just numbers (probably floats?), right? This model has 3.12TB of floats??? That's insane. How do you load that into memory for inferencing?

Use x1e.32xlarge on AWS with 3TB of RAM. Just $12,742/mo - https://calculator.aws/#/estimate?id=7428fa81192c57087ac8cdf... Alternatively order something like the HP Z8 with 3TB RAM configured, which is only $75k - https://zworkstations.com/configurations/2040422/ It's interesting. It would take ~six years for the Z8 to break even compared to AWS, but traffic into and out of the machine would be $0, and I don't think…

> It would take ~six years for the Z8 to break even

Do you mean six months?

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weights are just numbers (probably floats?), right? This model has 3.12TB of floats??? That's insane. How do you load that into memory for inferencing?

Use x1e.32xlarge on AWS with 3TB of RAM. Just $12,742/mo - https://calculator.aws/#/estimate?id=7428fa81192c57087ac8cdf... Alternatively order something like the HP Z8 with 3TB RAM configured, which is only $75k - https://zworkstations.com/configurations/2040422/ It's interesting. It would take ~six years for the Z8 to break even compared to AWS, but traffic into and out of the machine would be $0, and I don't think…

hate to break the party but this model only loads a small part of itself in RAM when inferencing

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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So, almost every possible ngram ever used is a 'input'? Can someone describe what the lexical reality of 3.5T inputs actually means? I feel like this is 'Deep Memorization' instead of 'Deep Learning'. Like a Doctor who passes everything merely by memorizing the textbook with absolutely no ability beyond that.

Even so, memorisation implies word by word information retrieval and interpolation, it's not a hash table.

Re: Google Open-Sources Trillion-Parameter AI Language Model Switch Transformer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it has been shown [1] that these models can memorize information even if it only appears once in the training data. It could potentially cause issues with privacy and especially copyright. However, in this case it's not relevant because they didn't release the model weights. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2012.07805

Even if they did not, they have it for themselves. If this uses any personal data, then GDPR and other regulations may not be getting respected.

If they have a policy to respond to GDPR requests, and maybe if they use a bloom filter to avoid repeating the training data, then it should be ok?
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