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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by Firerouge »

daveevad wrote: post #94
walrus01 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The latter. You can initiate whatever connection you want from inside the cgnat, but there's nothing externally accessible yet. Mine has a few different openvpn tunnels (clients at the starlink side, servers in datacenters elsewhere) going different places.

Thanks - what does a regular traceroute look like? Any discernible pattern for the hops through the constellation? Any general thoughts about the topology? I appreciate it. My family got into the beta today, not just the pre-order but it sounds like it won't ship for a few weeks. Thanks again.

While some of the satellites do have point to point laser links for communicating directly with other satellites in the constellation, it's not widely utilized yet, and all communications are ground station to satellite and back to base station.

https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2020/09/23/starlink-packe...

It's unlikely that anyone's traffic is passing through multiple satellite links at this time, but that may change with higher elevation orbits serving states like Alaska.

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Post by theginger »

mcculley wrote: post #96
walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

How well would this work on oceangoing boats? I have tugboats in the Caribbean that could use cheaper connectivity.

Mentioned in the FAQs [1] you cannot take it with you if you move area, you are assigned a "cell" and it won't work for you outside of that. I spoke to someone who has it and he said he it is quite a big area maybe up to 100 mile radius.

[1]https://www.starlink.com/faq

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Post by system2 »

AlexDanger wrote: post #103

I'm a big believer in Starlink and SpaceX generally. It annoys me that I can not invest in these big bold innovations directly. Has anyone thought about how to invest indirectly on the belief that Starlink will succeed? For instance, are there satellite equipment suppliers or other upstream supplier who stand to profit with Starlink's success? Likewise, who might fail based on Starlink's success? Should I be shorting…

I was looking for starlink IPO. There is some good news I read for the last few months. I think it would succeed more than Tesla since it is more global and affordable.

https://observer.com/2021/02/spacex-secret-funds-starlink-ip...

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Post by partiallypro »

supernova87a wrote: post #85

Note, it says you cannot take your Starlink to a different address (or I suppose, put it on a boat, plane, RV, etc): https://www.starlink.com/faq "Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address? Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell. Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you mov…

That kind of sucks, maybe in the future they will allow you to move about. I don't see why you couldn't travel with the array. I can understand if the dish were moving but if you just have your RV parked it seems like you should just be able to just jump online.

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Post by mbreese »

supernova87a wrote: post #85

Note, it says you cannot take your Starlink to a different address (or I suppose, put it on a boat, plane, RV, etc): https://www.starlink.com/faq "Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address? Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell. Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you mov…

One thing they don’t mention is the size of the cells. If it is anything like what I’ve seems in some satellite visualization sites, they could be huge. I think there is a difference between moving this from a home in the city to a vacation house in the woods and traveling the country in an RV.

I think this will be an interesting distinction.

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Post by reustle »

zamadatix wrote: post #31
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #17

Any idea on pricing? I wonder how many people would switch over if it was priced ~$10 higher than a Comcast plan, just to avoid having to deal with Comcast. I hope this ubiquitous competition will force prices for wired Internet down and customer service quality up. And if it is able to scale, this will be a VERY attractive offer in underdeveloped countries like Germany. (Germany may be a first world country, but the…

$499 to get the equipment and $99/m for service. Right now service is locked to the cell you purchase in. The intent is to allow mobility eventually.

It feels weird that I pay some small SaaS products more than this. You'd think slinging a few hundred satellites into space would be a more difficult / expensive endeavor.

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Post by partiallypro »

I pre-ordered and will probably not get it until July/August, I'm pretty excited about it. One thing I noticed when pre-ordering is that it didn't offer to sell me roof mount, which I'll need... I hope I can buy this later? I know they sell them but it wasn't an add on for the pre-order.

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Post by enra »

colordrops wrote: post #90
walrus01 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a. absolute lowest latency I've seen to a major IX point in seattle is about 15.8ms. More often it's 22-23ms. On a longer term, averages between 20-30ms. That's for the combined total of four 550km paths through space plus terrestrial latency from their earth station to seattle. Keep in mind that on something like a DOCSIS3 cable coax last mile segment can have a minimum latency of 12-16ms from just the cablemodem to…

I regularly get 12ms latency to google over my DOCSIS3 cable coax connection.

I regularly get 25-250ms latency (average is maybe 60ms) to google or 8.8.8.8 over my DOCSIS3 cable coax connection in addition to 2-5% packet loss.

The ISP network and node is oversaturated and they plan to do nothing about it (Cox).

So I'm actually excited if Starlink can provide 20-30ms stable latency, I have an option which is not tied to the regional operators.

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Post by geerlingguy »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #48
teej wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many folks don’t know or forgot that there are ISPs in the US that do deep packet inspection and inject banner ads into http traffic.

Seems like this has to be giving dwindling returns with so much of the web being on https these days.

One thing my current ISP still does is returns an ad-laden search page any time you visit a domain that doesn't resolve.

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Post by [deleted] »

walrus01 wrote: post #110
Jedd wrote: post #108

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I expect a fair bit of interest from latency-sensitive markets (eg finance) here in Australia. A few years ago when I was in the WAN optimisation space, IIRC Sydney/Singapore latency was ~150ms, partly raw distance, partly because the route was physically quite convoluted. There's some expectation that once Starlink's mesh comms ramp up, it'll be significantly faster to go up to a bird, across through one or more at…

in terms of raw capacity, I do not think that the intersatellite laser links (if/when they do get that working, which is a long ways off, 10 out of the 1050+ satellites right now have them, and none in production use), will approach anywhere near the capacity of a 40 or 80 channel, coherent 100/200/400GbE DWDM submarine line terminal. it's a whole other order of magnitudes.

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