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Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

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Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#51

Excuse my ignorance, but am I, as a California residential user, going to pay these prices for the electricity I'm using in my home right now? Should I shut everything down?

Aren't residential prices controlled by the public utility commission? So probably not immediately. But if CA utilities buy on the wholesale market and can't raise rates then they may go bankrupt.

Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised by this. I would have guessed lots of solar there and potentially wind.

Substantial amounts of solar coming online in Hawaii, causing the utility to carefully manage additional distributed solar installs [1]. Still expensive because there is much diesel and coal generation (~2GW) left to displace. [1] https://www.hawaiianelectric.com/clean-energy-hawaii/integra... (red = saturated local electrical infra)

Are there any realistic power generation options from tidal/ocean power? Seems like that might be great for Hawaii — if it isn’t still the realm of science fiction?

Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#54
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Do wholesale prices directly translate to consumer prices?

Not directly.

In Texas and other deregulated markets, you can be on either a fixed rate for n months or on a variable rate. If you're on a variable rate, the rate will be much higher than normal for the next few months. If you're on a fixed rate you're fine for now, but keep an eye on when your fixed rate expires. This assumes that your supplier is still in business after the next few months (many suppliers will go bankrupt because of this). For the suppliers, they're going to be hit hard by people who either decide not to pay their supplier next month, or have people who switch to budget billing. They're going to suffer a cash crunch for a bit.

If you are in a regulated market or are using the regulated utilities like ConEd in NYC, you'll see limited rate increases to deal with the increased cost to supply. These rate increases need to be approved by the state's Public Utility Commission.

Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#56

I track my electricity in Chicago pretty regularly and we’ve been seeing between 5x and 100x ‘normal’ pricing all week. For scale, at this time of night I’d expect my power to be priced at ~ 0.8 c/Kwh. Right now we are sitting at 15 c/Kwh.

Here in CA we pay 24c / Kwh on a regular basis. Why is it your power can be 0.8c/Kwh?, that seems really really low.

I don’t know the market dynamics but I’d assume it’s a combination of the excessive amount of nuclear available around us and old coal.

I put the hourly numbers on a couple of dashboards around my house populated by this api https://hourlypricing.comed.com/hp-api/

Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#57

I track my electricity in Chicago pretty regularly and we’ve been seeing between 5x and 100x ‘normal’ pricing all week. For scale, at this time of night I’d expect my power to be priced at ~ 0.8 c/Kwh. Right now we are sitting at 15 c/Kwh.

Here in CA we pay 24c / Kwh on a regular basis. Why is it your power can be 0.8c/Kwh?, that seems really really low.

In St. Louis, MO (which is also seeing a long cold week and winter storms), our power has averaged 8¢/kWh this month. We have a mix of hydro, nuclear, gas, and I believe one coal plant serving our area.

Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#58

Excuse my ignorance, but am I, as a California residential user, going to pay these prices for the electricity I'm using in my home right now? Should I shut everything down?

It depends on your utility contract, but very likely not. Most consumers pay a fixed volumetric rate, and it's the utility that is exposed to real-time fluctuations in the wholesale price of power.

Re: Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now

#60

Excuse my ignorance, but am I, as a California residential user, going to pay these prices for the electricity I'm using in my home right now? Should I shut everything down?

If you're a residential PG&E customer you'd have to look up your current tariff schedule here: https://www.pge.com/tariffs/electric.shtml

Likely, no, as your rates have been set some time ago.

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