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68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by nindalf »

zarkov99 wrote: post #37
lrvick wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shapiros history of consistent homophobic, transphobic, islamophobic vitrol sure do seem consistent with everything I hear from people in the alt right movement and validates them. He also claims he is not alt right, not homophobic, and not racist. So there is that.

What utter nonsense. Shapiro is just a conservative pundit the only thing that sets him apart is that he is very smart and, relatively speaking, intellectually honest. His greatest crime is not kowtowing to the left orthodoxy that is so dominant in tech/academia/media. And that makes his voice particularly valuable.

What’s valuable about homophobia? What’s intellectually honest about hating people for their sexual orientation and advocating for discrimination against them?

If the left orthodoxy means treating people equally, sign me up.

> very smart

This is the guy who endorsed Trump in October 2020 for another four year term because “he’s already done all the damage he can, he can’t do anything more”. Genius.

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by [deleted] »

cm2187 wrote: post #28

This is bullshit. There is a much smaller number of conservative news websites or tv channels compared to democrats, though the population is roughly 50/50, so of course the few conservative outlets individually attracts more traffic hence appearing more often in top links, but not in aggregate.

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Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by klmadfejno »

FFRefresh wrote: post #13
p1necone wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're going to have to explain why you don't think Ben Shapiro is alt-right, he's basically a poster child for them.

What does 'alt' mean when added as a prefix to left or right to you? What % of people on the right would you consider alt-right? What % of people on the left would you consider alt-left?

alt is not an independent modifier you can assume would play a similar role in a different context. Alt-right is just an alternative rightwing movement.

My personal take would be that alt right is a rightwing suberversion of traditional american conservatism. In addition to largely white identity politics, there's also a strong push for anti-establishment, and indifference to traditional norms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

> The term is ill-defined, having been used in different ways by various self-described "alt-rightists", media commentators, and academics. Groups which have been identified as alt-right also espouse white supremacism, white separatism, right-wing populism, anti-immigration, racism, anti-communism, anti-Zionism, antisemitism, Holocaust denial, xenophobia, anti-intellectualism, antifeminism, homophobia, and Islamophobia.

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by cobraetor »

lrvick wrote: post #29
kypro wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He also claims he is not alt right, not homophobic, and not racist. So there is that. Would you claim you're not alt-right, homophobic or racist? You seem like the kind of person who would deny all those labels to be honest.

I probably am a little sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and racist in ways I don't fully realize due to my privileges. Unlike Shapiro however you will be unlikely to find any overtly bigoted content scrolling through my public commentary.

Would you consider this person[1] to be transphobic? He is not a conservative and yet holds similar views to that of Shapiro.

[1] https://blog.alexgleason.me/gab-block/

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by millstone »

p1necone wrote: post #10
macspoofing wrote: post #6

Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino, and 'conservative media' are alt-right now? Great journalism here. This doofus author clearly shows what he's about.

You're going to have to explain why you don't think Ben Shapiro is alt-right, he's basically a poster child for them.

Shapiro is right-wing mainstream conservative, not alt-right.

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by sibeliuss »

luxuryballs wrote: post #48
sibeliuss wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always hilarious and absurd to me how people use Trump's rally size -- in 2020, during a pandemic -- as some sort of proxy objective measurement for popularity. I mean, Trump held rallies to the shock and horror of local and national and international government health departments because he's an entertainer and he knew it would be good for business, and in many cases even shamed people for wearing masks so as t…

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. More people packed the streets for BLM than either candidate. But does anyone really believe that Joe Biden would have had popular rallies even without a pandemic to hide behind? I very much doubt he even won the election but we’ll probably never know!

> But does anyone really believe that Joe Biden would have had popular rallies even without a pandemic to hide behind

There's a two party system in the US. Like every presidential election literally ever, both parties attract a lot of popular attention because.... there's only two parties.

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by jancsika »

I'm imagining a alternate version of git where you do `git log` or some such other subcommand, and the output comes from the aggregate of every local clone that has ever existed.

So someone writes an alarming story that 68% of the kernel code is in such a broken state it actually doesn't even compile correctly. Ok, but what would that mean for such a weirdo, broken piece of software? That most users download, tinker, get frustrated and never come back? That Linus is incompetent? That there's one troll out there continually cloning master and breaking it to write a story about? That there's N such trolls?

To me, the only information to glean from that would be that this alt-git would be a massive pile of garbage.

The difference with Facebook is that its userbase doesn't have the competency or necessary source/data access to, say, leverage a hash to grab the goods and fork the thing into a non-stupid, workable piece of software. A non-negligible number of their users keep using it as a source of news.

The Qanon bullshit is basically a pentest that shows the content of this headline could literally be anything at all when it comes to Facebook. It'd be absurd to spend time discussing what exactly it is about Tom Hanks that makes people think he eats babies. The topic should be how the hell we are going to stop FAANG from enumerating through every socially destructive set of lucrative dark patterns before this stops.

Edit: clarification

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by singhrac »

sibeliuss wrote: post #34
cobraetor wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also given the fact that Trump's rallies were attended to in extremely larger numbers compared to that of Biden's, and the new White House videos being downvoted heavily in YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/WhiteHouse/videos *edit: Responding to a comment below, > I very much doubt he even won the election We have to be extremely careful when alleging election fraud. I think that may be perceived to be divisive. It…

It's always hilarious and absurd to me how people use Trump's rally size -- in 2020, during a pandemic -- as some sort of proxy objective measurement for popularity. I mean, Trump held rallies to the shock and horror of local and national and international government health departments because he's an entertainer and he knew it would be good for business, and in many cases even shamed people for wearing masks so as t…

Don’t forget that Trump’s Tulsa rally killed Herman Cain.

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by luxuryballs »

TheIronYuppie wrote: post #7
ffggvv wrote: post #4

presume its okay if its pro-biden :)

The US is proveably 50/50-ish Unless Facebook has a strongly biased audience, it seems likely that their algorithms should represent the population. 68% pro Trump does not.

Trump probably got close to 95 million votes, the mainstream media and the activist ballot workers/officials are great at deception and most Americans aren’t dumb enough to have thought Joe Biden would make a good President, especially after how great Trump was doing. It’s pretty obvious what happened in 2020 was more than just a perfect storm, the swamp drained Trump while saying “we can’t allow anyone to audit election integrity”.

Re: 68% of the top links on Facebook since September are in support of Donald Trump

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Post by FFRefresh »

danans wrote: post #46
FFRefresh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does 'alt' mean when added as a prefix to left or right to you? What % of people on the right would you consider alt-right? What % of people on the left would you consider alt-left?

> What does 'alt' mean when added as a prefix to left or right to you? Not the GP, but the 'alt' prefix to me seems to invoke the similar usage in the term 'alternative' music like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc, which were an 'alternative' to pop music from the 80s and 90s. The prefix suggests a change of type and not just a change of degree. They aren't just "more conservative Republicans". This is why it applies more to…

Thanks for offering a perspective on the right.

I do disagree about a change of type not happening on the left. I see a very large rift developing on the left around whether to honor classically liberal values or not.

I do think the trends in 'alt' usage are predominately aimed at the right as more of a pejorative towards the outgroup, and less of a descriptive term. You can see a snapshot of the vast disparity in usage here: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=Alt-right,...

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