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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by chungus_khan »

zepto wrote: post #339
chungus_khan wrote: post #325

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Then why hasn't it happened? Android has always had sideloading and this is not the case. Just asserting it to be false isn't convincing.

Why doesn’t Epic have an Android App Store? If they want an independent store, there is no reason for them not to create one for Android. If Android was a model for what Epic wants, they would have built a store there. It’s pretty obvious that this is just about them going where the money is.

As I said, they tried and failed because nobody downloaded it. I'm not sure why you're suddenly bringing Epic's motives into a comment chain about the desirability of sideloading though? Epic is obviously looking to skirt store fees and doesn't actually prefer to run their own store, but that has nothing to do with anything above in the chain.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by jaegerpicker »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #318
judge2020 wrote: post #273

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It'll be fine: https://patrickspokemonpalace.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ie... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/antivirus-software-...

App store monopolies have not meaningfully hindered this. To your first example: Most malware infections on PCs today are distributed by the Chrome Web Store. (Preventing malicious extensions was Google's excuse for blocking third party install... but since they don't even attempt to control malware they distribute first party, it's hilarious.) If they tell you they have a virus, open their Chrome extensions tab, rem…

Apple's own store proves this incorrect. Apple's App Store has VERY few instance's of Malware (at least in the sense of exploiting security issues). The App Store does have an ongoing issue with dark patterns and subscription fraud, no doubt but in general Apple's App Store is the by far the best and safest App Store for consumer. I'm an app developer and the App Store has more than it's share of issues like discovery and subscription fraud but ALL of those issues are worse on other more "open" platforms.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by nxc18 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #330
dkonofalski wrote: post #303

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That's literally a major reason why people buy Apple products, though. If you can't sideload things, there's literally no chance of your phone being compromised by those things.

Thats like claiming Isaak newton was a great scientist because he stayed a virgin. People buy iPhones and tolerate lack of sideloading.

If you’re going to make that claim, you’ll need to back it up with literally any evidence or even anecdote.

I buy iPhone because it is basically the only reliable computer I own, and a single, reputable source of software is a big part of that. Not being extorted into installing Steam is a huge part of that.

No, I didn’t _really_ have a choice to install Steam and I fucking hate it, thank you very much.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by gerash »

dkonofalski wrote: post #303
sheepdestroyer wrote: post #292

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App store are good, not argument. The inability of side loading beside the store is what is being critisized.

That's literally a major reason why people buy Apple products, though. If you can't sideload things, there's literally no chance of your phone being compromised by those things.

Is part of your reasoning also the fact that devs can't even mention in their apps that they have a website that users can buy their subscription from?

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Post by jaegerpicker »

justapassenger wrote: post #351
jaegerpicker wrote: post #326

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I totally understand that but from my POV, I don't see Apple losing the App Store's position as a positive for consumers. Let's compare Android's eco-system to iOS's. Android's app ecosystem is terrible IMO, piracy - viruses - cloned apps - and general very low quality apps. I'm a mobile developer (both iOS and Android) and I use both in my daily live. I know some people prefer Android but MANY don't. To me it's VERY…

If Apple would open up to other apps stores I’d most likely stay with theirs, because I also like value they provide. But that doesn’t mean I agree with them not allowing other people to make a choice. For me 30% for purchases and having heavily curated store is ok, but others it’s not, and they should be allowed to choose. If Apple store is truly superior, they won’t have problems staying ahead of competition.

They do have a choice, use Android if they don't like it. All the major apps are available on Android. Good hardware is available. There is nothing besides time and money to stop them. I don't understand how anyone can ask for choice when it already exists.

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Post by throw_away892 »

jaegerpicker wrote: post #285
throw_away892 wrote: post #207

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How you don't see Epic's move as a win for Apple users is ironic given how pro-consumer you seem to perceive Apple to be.

Epic's move has 0 to do with consumer's. It's only about Epic benefiting from Apple's platform.

Epic's move (if it succeeds) would have a direct positive effect on the consumer. Across the board. It's not a gamer issue anymore. It is now bigger than them.

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Post by mdoms »

dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

> I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the latest Hearthstone updates.

This is how life is as a PC gamer and it's.... actually good. Who cares if you need to open multiple stores? That is the smallest possible inconvenience, and in exchange we get an insanely competitive marketplace where consumers are regularly given free games and deep, deep discounts to lure them into competing stores.

Would you prefer every city had one car yard? Is it a major hardship for you to have to go to different car yards for Fords and Nissans?

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Post by iknowstuff »

dkonofalski wrote: post #251
pennaMan wrote: post #220

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Before Apple blessed us with it's ground breaking technology to restrict the software you are allowed to have on your own device we did just fine getting software on our devices using a file system and the internet.

You may have but the rest of the world did so with a lot of hand-wringing and a boatload of viruses, toolbars, malware, and everything else. As someone who has worked in IT and in tech support, I get and agree with what Apple has done.

FYI, the iOS sandboxing model is the innovation behind the security of iOS. It is separate from the notion of having an app store. Apps would be just as restricted from accessing your data and modifying the OS as they are through their own store.

So this argument is wrong but will be peddled by Apple for sure. PC operating systems had viruses because of the non-restrictive, unsandboxed access their APIs gave to every app.

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Post by BillinghamJ »

CivBase wrote: post #293
dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

> My gaming computer is already filled with like 8 different app stores each completely different then the other and a variety of privacy/security issues on each. Do you honestly think this is a worse scenario than having to buy all of your apps/games through Microsoft's app store? Can you imagine using macOS without homebrew because everything has to come from Apple's app store? Can you imagine using Ubuntu without…

Absolutely yes. As a user, I really wish Microsoft required the use of their store. Having a single place to go is a lot easier

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by conradfr »

dkonofalski wrote: post #303
sheepdestroyer wrote: post #292

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App store are good, not argument. The inability of side loading beside the store is what is being critisized.

That's literally a major reason why people buy Apple products, though. If you can't sideload things, there's literally no chance of your phone being compromised by those things.

And yet the guy making bogus app clones with subscriptions makes millions from the App Store (and Apple takes its cut).
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