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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by simion314 »

dkonofalski wrote: post #246
simion314 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think EA created a game store because it feels parasitic that Valve could take 30% of your sells, why not make your own store and keep the 30% . What I would do is force EA to put their games on all stores, then on their own store they can give you a 25% discount because they don't have to pay the tax. Then people could decide if they want store A, B or C version. If the store tax would be low enough there would no…

It's not parasitic of Valve, though. Valve created the storefront and platform that has all of those customers baked into it. EA is not just paying 30% for the privilege of selling their game, they're paying for the customer base that they haven't had to work to establish on that platform.

I will disagree, you can see the entitlement of users that demand the game,movie or payment system must be exactly his preferred one. Though for Valve you can compete with them (but people hate it but I think they don't hate the actual competition but the shitty implementation of the stores and the fact this game launcher most of the time must be run in background ) BUT with Apple you can't compete, they have up to 50% market share in some countries and if you are a business half of your existing customers(that you earned fairly and were not gifted by Apple to you) will ask for an iOS app and now you either give a bad experience to your customer or you pay the tax.

About the argument that Apple,Valve gives you access to many users, sure that should be price correctly, developers could pay for getting promoted on the first page of the store, but Apple,Google should not get a cut for promoting my app if the user installed it starting from my own website.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by a254613e »

fhood wrote: post #139

Apple does not actually have a monopoly, Android exists, has more market share, more options and features, and a better ecosystem of compatible smart devices. If Apple is forced to allow third party app marketplaces it is clear what will happen. Every major player will make their own marketplace and force you to use it to access their software and whatever other software they have paid to make exclusive. Epic is one…

>Every major player will make their own marketplace and force you to use it to access their software

A lot of comments keep saying this. So why haven't they done it on android? If they wanted to have huge amounts of users use their stores, wouldn't android give them even more of that than iOS?

Why are there all these doomsday scenarios being touted in this thread when what epic is asking already exists on another (larger) platforms, and none of the things that you and others mention happened?

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Post by kaibee »

rebuilder wrote: post #217
dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

Optimistically, someone will make a metastore that provides search across all the different stores. Sure, you'll have to sign up for each separately, but that should be a one-time deal. I mean, we kind of had that already before "software" became "apps" - the WWW where any publisher could sell their software on their very own website, free of interference.

This exists actually. There's quite a few of them.

ie: Razer Cortex

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by dkonofalski »

simion314 wrote: post #311
dkonofalski wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not parasitic of Valve, though. Valve created the storefront and platform that has all of those customers baked into it. EA is not just paying 30% for the privilege of selling their game, they're paying for the customer base that they haven't had to work to establish on that platform.

I will disagree, you can see the entitlement of users that demand the game,movie or payment system must be exactly his preferred one. Though for Valve you can compete with them (but people hate it but I think they don't hate the actual competition but the shitty implementation of the stores and the fact this game launcher most of the time must be run in background ) BUT with Apple you can't compete, they have up to 5…

>BUT with Apple you can't compete, they have up to 50% market share in some countries

That statement isn't true no matter how you slice it. Apple's largest competitor is Google so the idea that you can't compete with Apple is nonsense. And what countries does Apple have a 50% market share in?

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Post by rvba »

dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

> My gaming computer is already filled with like 8 different app stores each completely different then the other and a variety of privacy/security issues on each

One could expect that someone on a forum called "hacker news" knows how to close apps after running + also disable their autorun at startup.

Multiple app-stores are not that great, but still better than a monopoly of one company that takes a 30% cut for every product sold and in return provides an app that barely works (lags, constant updates, constant questions about password if you dont use it much).

It's basically the same as having multiple icons provided by multiple games. They also had different installers and privacy policies.

Competition among app stores means lower prices and cheaper service.

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Post by dubcanada »

rebuilder wrote: post #217
dubcanada wrote: post #184

I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

Optimistically, someone will make a metastore that provides search across all the different stores. Sure, you'll have to sign up for each separately, but that should be a one-time deal. I mean, we kind of had that already before "software" became "apps" - the WWW where any publisher could sell their software on their very own website, free of interference.

Then you end up at step 1, lol, same thing with TV.

Channels are bad and too restrictive -> added cable TV "stores" to buy movies/stuff -> Netflix -> Prime/Hulu/Disney Plus/etc -> App to allow you to search through "channels" -> welcome to TV from the 1990's with the added benefit of millions or channels vs 1000's.

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Post by casouniquo »

ryukafalz wrote: post #216
maratc wrote: post #169

Anytime Epic/Apple thing comes up, a very relevant quote is what their judge (YGR) said on their case: > “Well plaintiffs always want me to define relevant markets as narrowly as possible. It helps their case. And defendants always want me to define markets as broad as possible, because it helps their case.” The big elephant in the room is gaming consoles. If you see iPhone more or less in line with PC/Mac, you may a…

I also think people should be allowed to install whatever software they want on a gaming console that they own. Or a car, or a tractor, or...

I would like to have an option to install steam on PS5. But if sony were forced to do that, I don't think they can sell it for $499.

Also, like samsung, apple will only be providing like 18 months of updates

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

judge2020 wrote: post #273
solveit wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used to download almost every program on their own website until just a couple of years ago. It'll be fine.

It'll be fine: https://patrickspokemonpalace.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ie... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/antivirus-software-...

App store monopolies have not meaningfully hindered this.

To your first example: Most malware infections on PCs today are distributed by the Chrome Web Store. (Preventing malicious extensions was Google's excuse for blocking third party install... but since they don't even attempt to control malware they distribute first party, it's hilarious.) If they tell you they have a virus, open their Chrome extensions tab, remove everything, and you're good.

If anything, centralized app stores magnify the problem: By making every single app submitted look like it's coming from a reputable source. If app stores did any realistic good job at policing malware, instead of focusing on policing their revenue tax, they might be a benefit.

But again, malicious apps can have millions of installs and nobody does anything about it. Epic decides to charge 18% less and circumvent Google and Apple's taxation, and they act in less than 12 hours.

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Post by ITPaw »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #175
dpkonofa wrote: post #137

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What does that have to do with anything? You never said anything about paying money. I don't have to pay anything to run Mint or Mario Run on my phone so what's your point?

You have to pay Apple a minimum of $100 a year to install apps on an iPhone, unless you're okay with the apps being automatically disabled every seven days and never need to install more than three custom apps at a time. You didn't realize this when you bought Mario Run, because Nintendo paid Apple for you. And if Nintendo tries to sell you something to recuperate that cost, they have to give Apple 30%.

and? the developer whats to put his apps on the app store, why shouldn't they demand a fee. But that has nothing to do with the customer.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

dkonofalski wrote: post #246
simion314 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think EA created a game store because it feels parasitic that Valve could take 30% of your sells, why not make your own store and keep the 30% . What I would do is force EA to put their games on all stores, then on their own store they can give you a 25% discount because they don't have to pay the tax. Then people could decide if they want store A, B or C version. If the store tax would be low enough there would no…

It's not parasitic of Valve, though. Valve created the storefront and platform that has all of those customers baked into it. EA is not just paying 30% for the privilege of selling their game, they're paying for the customer base that they haven't had to work to establish on that platform.

Valve is not parasitic because its pimint out it's customers? That a stange argument if I ever heard one.

I could accept this if valve store didn't take 20 seconds to load on an 8-core machine.

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