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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by texasbigdata »

This is probably the most interesting comment here. Especially (as a moderate to liberal) with the cancelling of Parkor which was deeply troubling.

Is anyone speaking publicly and/or thinking deeply on this future of everyone in the value chain being able to deny freedom of speech? Obviously in some cases it's warranted (violence), but in others where the attack is very pointed (heard instances of cloudfare being petitioned to take down content which is literally internet plumbing) it's relatively concerning.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by moduspol »

api wrote: post #14

Any time you have an industry where the number of people who want to do the work vastly outstrips demand and where there are gatekeepers, you are going to get a culture of abuse. It comes in various forms: sexual or other inappropriate favors for advancement, verbal abuse, or just abusive working conditions like sweatshop hours and burnout culture.

It also helps a lot when the quality of the work performed by the person is subjective and overall success is largely dependent on the work of others (writers, musicians, tour directors, sound editors, etc.).

It'd be a lot tougher to be successful as an electrician or commercial airline pilot if you got there from sexual favors for your boss.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by covidthrow »

robscallsign wrote: post #93
jmt_ wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I'm supporting asexual erasure, but sayings like the quote in GP are usually fairly general. Statistically, there are much much fewer asexual people than not, so in general it may hold but that's not to say it holds for every single person.

The average human has one breast and one testicle.

Parent is talking about percentiles, not averages.

But on the point of averages: the median human has two breasts and no testicles.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by ceejayoz »

leesalminen wrote: post #95
beckman466 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

To me your comment is illustrating your privilege. Prostituting oneself three times to be financially set for life could be a perfectly acceptable trade off for millions of people. The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it shows that you haven’t gone hungry for a while.

> The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it shows that you haven’t gone hungry for a while.

This is an argument for making sure people don't go hungry, not for letting rich people rape people who want a job.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by beckman466 »

leesalminen wrote: post #95
beckman466 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

To me your comment is illustrating your privilege. Prostituting oneself three times to be financially set for life could be a perfectly acceptable trade off for millions of people. The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it shows that you haven’t gone hungry for a while.

> To me your comment is illustrating your privilege. Prostituting oneself three times to be financially set for life could be a perfectly acceptable trade off for millions of people.

I hear you and get where you're coming from, yet my take is that I want to shift the dynamics of the system for everyone. Systems change, not personal change. Also this isn't about a 'facing a trade off' or sex work, it's about dehumanization and exploitation at the hands of an abusive powerful person.

And I want everyone to be 'set for life'. It's absolutely possible.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by mhh__ »

kgwxd wrote: post #62
subpixel wrote: post #9

I’m reminded of an axiom, which I will paraphrase: Everything is about sex. Except sex, which is about power.

Says more about the speaker than sex itself. Sounds like the words of someone with mental health issues.

The phrase should be considered as a framework for (let's say) hyper-masculine Id behaviour.

However sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by fulafel »

api wrote: post #14

Any time you have an industry where the number of people who want to do the work vastly outstrips demand and where there are gatekeepers, you are going to get a culture of abuse. It comes in various forms: sexual or other inappropriate favors for advancement, verbal abuse, or just abusive working conditions like sweatshop hours and burnout culture.

I wonder about game development, it shares a lot of the traits.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by kgwxd »

xwdv wrote: post #74
im3w1l wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a race to the bottom though. Once one person does it, everyone else has to do it too, just so they don't fall behind. In the end you are back to where you started, except you have to sell yourself in addition.

You're selling a service, not yourself. There's plenty of people for whom a sexual favor is not a big deal, and they see it as a huge return on investment.

> There's plenty of people for whom a sexual favor is not a big deal

And that's their choice. Sleeping your way to the top is a very separate debate. Requiring anyone who wants a job to fuck you is the topic being discussed.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by IAmGraydon »

beckman466 wrote: post #89
nabla9 wrote: post #13

It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

Get a grip.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by caseysoftware »

lostgame wrote: post #54
A12-B wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought this phrase is a bit silly. It completely erases the existence of asexual people and their goals and ambitions.

Came here to post this, glad I didn't and forget we can't post about asexuality here. As an asexual person, not only are we not respected whatsoever here, but in my experienced, also personally attacked. That your comment about erasure is getting this many down votes is unfortunately absolutely common for HN, and I'm incredibly disappointed in that. Before people jump in who might not be asexual to try to defend this…

> I'm not sure why HN has it in for asexuals, but God damn guys, can't you ease up on us?

Complaining about the erasure of asexual people as you use "guys" to erase non-men is an unfortunate combo.

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