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Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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Its a settlement layer. Who cares. And you think they already cant access your transactions through the traditional system? Thats how they catch criminals every year.

Accessing transactions in the traditional system ostensibly requires a subpoena, and is limited by jurisdiction.

You would need the same to identify a fiat gateway with btc. You cant link a person to an account without that.

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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It is rather a promise of an "eventual stability". Thinking through that lens, I think USD (and other Fiat currencies) are the ones exhibiting instability.

BTC cannot be stable, even eventually. There is no way to increase the BTC supply so when productivity increases, prices of goods (expressed in BTC) will always go up. Assume that BTC is the only currency and world productivity goes up 6% each year, or 0.5% each month. Then when you go in store to buy apple, you will see price gone up by 0.5% than previous month because there is no way to increase money supply. One o…

Ahaha, I'm literally listening to a talk by Yanis Varoufakis right now and not 5mins ago he mentioned this as the reason non-fiat money, be it gold standard or BTC, cannot work long-term.

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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So it sounds like lemming group think. It seems like someone one should hold “just in case,” but no real valid reason to do so yet (that I’ve heard). We know transactions are slow and expensive, so it’s not a good replacement for ordinary commerce. It can be used to transfer across borders, but there often is asymmetry in capital movement that makes this difficult in the places you need it most (poor countries with r…

When "the market" does something that somebody considers to be irrational, the explanation is almost certainly that they either simply don't understand it, or that they do understand it and they're just being judgemental about the motives at play.

The reason it has value is because people have demand for it. People have demand for it for a variety of reasons. I think it's reasonable to presume that a non-trivial portion of that demand is driven by the features that make it a rather good black market currency. It's also obviously quite appealing to certain groups of privacy conscious individuals. I've heard it's somewhat popular for international remittances, which makes sense given the economic stability issues various places have around the world. On top of those fundamentals, demand is further inflated by speculators.

Your biggest criticism seems to be that it would be a bad national currency because you can't implement a bitcoin monetary policy. But none of the demand for bitcoin is driven by that factor, so the observation is simply irrelevant.

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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The forefront of the Bitcoin frenzy isn't even on the blockchain, it's at the exchanges. Hardcore tech people and those who don't (or can't) trust institutions with their Bitcoin will pay the transaction fees to get their money out of exchanges and into their own wallet. The average retail investor, however, doesn't want to be their own bank. They just want in on the price action, while letting the exchange manage th…

> That said, Tesla's Bitcoin purchase does make a lot of sense ... They then announced their Bitcoin purchase with fanfare that drove the price up, marking a quick return on their investment. Tesla is a car manufacturer! It doesn't make any sense at all! At any company that made sense, a CEO would lose his job for gambling $1B of company money in a casino totally unrelated to the company's business interests.

Well, it’s not completely unrelated: bitcoin drives energy consumption, which in turn drives demand for batteries of all shapes, which are a massive part of Tesla’s business plan.

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The forefront of the Bitcoin frenzy isn't even on the blockchain, it's at the exchanges. Hardcore tech people and those who don't (or can't) trust institutions with their Bitcoin will pay the transaction fees to get their money out of exchanges and into their own wallet. The average retail investor, however, doesn't want to be their own bank. They just want in on the price action, while letting the exchange manage th…

> That said, Tesla's Bitcoin purchase does make a lot of sense ... They then announced their Bitcoin purchase with fanfare that drove the price up, marking a quick return on their investment. Tesla is a car manufacturer! It doesn't make any sense at all! At any company that made sense, a CEO would lose his job for gambling $1B of company money in a casino totally unrelated to the company's business interests.

I'm afraid it makes sense if they are hedging bets against a major global economy...

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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post #403

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Accessing transactions in the traditional system ostensibly requires a subpoena, and is limited by jurisdiction.

You would need the same to identify a fiat gateway with btc. You cant link a person to an account without that.

I'm skeptical that you couldn't. Anonymous data is often not quite as anonymous as we think, and identities can be deanonymized by cross-referencing with other public info. If even one of your on-chain transactions leaks identity, your entire history with that wallet is compromised.

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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post #128

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That's US $178m today for those who are curious

Say one is still sitting on 3650 coins from 2011, and you decide now is the time to sell the lot. How exactly do you "cash out" that amount? Sell to Elon maybe? ;)

You can definitely try to barter it.

The top reputable exchanges have daily liquidity in the billions https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/.

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The forefront of the Bitcoin frenzy isn't even on the blockchain, it's at the exchanges. Hardcore tech people and those who don't (or can't) trust institutions with their Bitcoin will pay the transaction fees to get their money out of exchanges and into their own wallet. The average retail investor, however, doesn't want to be their own bank. They just want in on the price action, while letting the exchange manage th…

> That said, Tesla's Bitcoin purchase does make a lot of sense ... They then announced their Bitcoin purchase with fanfare that drove the price up, marking a quick return on their investment. Tesla is a car manufacturer! It doesn't make any sense at all! At any company that made sense, a CEO would lose his job for gambling $1B of company money in a casino totally unrelated to the company's business interests.

yes .. but elon (handwaving wooo)

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The forefront of the Bitcoin frenzy isn't even on the blockchain, it's at the exchanges. Hardcore tech people and those who don't (or can't) trust institutions with their Bitcoin will pay the transaction fees to get their money out of exchanges and into their own wallet. The average retail investor, however, doesn't want to be their own bank. They just want in on the price action, while letting the exchange manage th…

> That said, Tesla's Bitcoin purchase does make a lot of sense ... They then announced their Bitcoin purchase with fanfare that drove the price up, marking a quick return on their investment. Tesla is a car manufacturer! It doesn't make any sense at all! At any company that made sense, a CEO would lose his job for gambling $1B of company money in a casino totally unrelated to the company's business interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Fg88vG4E8

Re: Bitcoin surpasses $50K as major companies jump into crypto

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post #336

Bitcoin has been around for a while now and it has been down talked quite a bit on HN whenever it comes up. It now has a larger market cap as Facebook - so the market sees more value in Bitcoin than Facebook. The sentiment on HN seem still be mostly against it whenever it comes up. I wonder why that is? I'd imagine 10 years from now Bitcoin will still be around and likely much larger than today - I'm less positive ab…

Market cap is a bad way to judge the real value of anything.

If you were to sell 50% of all the bitcoin floating around in the world, how much would you impact the price? Would it remain above 40k? 30k? 20k?

What's the cost basis of all the bitcoin holdings in the world?

If the US government cracks down on bitcoin purchases by public companies, what happens to the price of bitcoin?

Skeptics aren't skeptical because of lacking adoption, so they aren't going to be swayed by increasing adoption either.

Also, Facebook isn't some magical Rubicon for asset valuation. It's a company that sells ads.

One of the fundamental problems with "things are going good, what could go wrong?" is that inevitably, every crash is clearest in retrospect.

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