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Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by cmroanirgo »

falcolas wrote: post #234
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to reply "the problem with 1password is they have no Linux support," but it looks like Linux support actually got added late last year! (Or at least there's an open beta.) https://blog.1password.com/1password-for-linux-beta-is-now-o... Anyone used both 1password and Bitwarden? I'm using Bitwarden right now, but I dislike the fact that their desktop app is Electron based.

Keepass is another cross-platform option (open source), though the UI on non-windows environments is a bit... crap. Nontheless, it works, and it works well.

KeepassXC is another option for multi platform. I use it on mac

KeepassDX for Android (or Keepass2Android)

I was a happy 1Password user, but prefer to use my own hosting for the files & the subscription model makes using your own files very hard (but it's still possible)

I tried BitWarden but the lack of a proper desktop app (where the browser plug-in connects to) is a deal breaker. I don't want to type my master password into my browser.

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by sa46 »

kevindong wrote: post #227

LastPass was my first ever password manager and I used for it ~5 years. A few years ago, I got fed up with how sluggish it was (at least, at the time). So I switched over the Bitwarden. Unfortunately, the Bitwarden Safari extension for macOS had a bug where I had unlock my vault every time I wanted to use a credential and that got annoying. Around the same time I started using Bitwarden, I started at a job with a cor…

I also switched from Lastpass to 1Password. I did a mildly deep technical investigation into why Lastpass is slow on the browser. I found LastPass delays all page rendering by about 70ms. https://joe.schafer.dev/passing-lastpass/

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by tunesmith »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #68
blunte wrote: post #55

I very happily pay $10/year for Bitwarden. It is in my opinion superior to Lastpass, and I don't have the doubts of the corporate governance.

How does it compare with 1Password?

Bitwarden doesn't have a Safari extension anymore since Safari's extensions are their own format... Safari since said they'd allow Chrome's extension api but I haven't heard if Bitwarden will start developing the Safari extension again.

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by notyourday »

Spivak wrote: post #338
notyourday wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conglomerates that do B2C for money will always beat upstarts as their customer unit average cost will be lower and per unit attributable revenue will be higher. If the only thing that a customer cares about is paying the minimum amount, the customer should not be surprised that their choices would be limited to conglomerates. Independent restaurants are a lot more expensive than national chains and make a lot less m…

Fine but that’s not the parent’s point. You shouldn’t buy from local stores, local restaurants, or small shops because of some notion that you’re sticking it to large companies. You do when, for you, their products and services they offer have better value for you. If you choose a worse or more expensive product because it’s from a small business then you’re only making yourself worse off.

> Fine but that’s not the parent’s point. You shouldn’t buy from local stores, local restaurants, or small shops because of some notion that you’re sticking it to large companies. You do when, for you, their products and services they offer have better value for you.

That's not correct: the part of the value that you get from buying from local small businesses rather than conglomerates is that you are not buying from a conglomerate, even if the local product could be considered inferior by some measure.

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by account-5 »

Never used lastpass and never would.

Wife does and now I have to go about setting her up a keepass db and a way of syncing between her phone and chromebook.

This is a prime example of why I never use these sorts of companies. Always comes down to money eventually.

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by krets »

johnchristopher wrote: post #246
falcolas wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keepass is another cross-platform option (open source), though the UI on non-windows environments is a bit... crap. Nontheless, it works, and it works well.

Keepass is not a Web first app. There are extensions and workarounds but considering the nature of its file based database it can never be as smooth as solutions like bitwarden and others. At work we share a Keepass file on a nextcloud instance and it's a giant PITA.

I'm using KeePass + Syncthing to get it around all my devices. Works like a charm! Except for iOS devices...

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by BrightOne »

arsome wrote: post #222
joekrill wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried really, _really_ hard to like Bitwarden. But I ran into 2 huge issues, that ended up being blockers for me: 1. Sharing is super-confusing. I was trying to organize things for my mom, as well for my wife and I. And you have to create these "organizations". And they makes things really confusing for a variety of reasons. They are a different pricing/SKU. And the UX around them is not good. It's not clear whe…

> and it comes up right away I'd be a bit afraid of this. Secure key derivation takes time. Remember, you want to be able to defend against people with a few GPUs or the ability to configure a cheap FPGA at least and the ability to build custom ASICs or employ a GPU botnet at worst. Taking ~5 seconds to derive your key securely on your phone is a near inevitability.

That's about searching, not unlocking the vault.

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by jzymbaluk »

88840-8855 wrote: post #359
somehnguy wrote: post #180

I moved to Bitwarden about a year ago when I got fed up with the terrible UI in Lastpass. Bitwarden isn't the pinnacle of UI either, but at least it's way cheaper. Been very happy with it.

My topics: - Bitwarden is becoming risky to use? - the next Bitwarden? So many people recommend Bitwarden now. I am a paying customer from the first day and have been using it on all my devices. Bitwarden followed my Lastpass experience, similar to what OP has described. Now, Bitwarden's popularity is troubling me. It has become already large enough to be an attractive target for attacks. The bigger it gets, the more…

Bitwarden is open source and regularly audited, which is not something you can say about Lastpass.

Your thinking about Bitwarden becoming a more valuable target is probably directionally correct, but at least anecdotally, I think the biggest target in this space is going to remain either the built-in Chrome/iOS password managers, or Dashlane, which is a product that advertises widely on Podcasts, etc.

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by path411 »

bschne wrote: post #358

This is such an odd choice of pricing model. The usual approach is to say you get multi-device sync as part of a paid plan and single-device usage for free, or to place an upper limit on the device count, not count of types of devices. My guess is that they want to limit functionality enough to make paid plans attractive, while still giving you the chance to try out how the sync works, but I can't help asking myself…

It's them trying to go backwards. Originally free only worked on desktop. When they allowed mobile on free, a lot of people cancelled their premium. The other really crappy part, premium was only $12 then. I don't really see modern lastpass as 3x more valuable then it was then.

I think they are just betting on enough people staying because people are too scared to swap

Re: Changes to LastPass Free

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Post by m000 »

LastPass seem to be shooting themselves in the foot with their irrational and inconsistent pricing.

- A few years back, their free/premium tiers were looking similar to what they announced today. Only they charged a mere $15/year for premium, which I gladly paid.

- Then, overnight, they offered syncing across all types of devices for their free tier. The premium tier was only adding some niche features. I would have continued to pay $15/year just to support them, but at the same time they bumped up premium to $36/year. That was a deal-breaker: not paying 2.5x for features I don't use.

- Now, they switch back to not syncing across all types of devices, but the premium price stays $36/year.

If LastPass was the only game in town, they might get away with it. But there are at least two competitors, against which LastPass doesn't compare favourably: 1Password costs about the same, but is more refined. Bitwarden is a bit less refined, but is cheaper.

I'm not dissatisfied with the LastPass product itself. But having to keep up with radical policy changes every few years largely negates any positive experience.

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