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How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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I, for one, hate the expanded product lineup. I'm looking to buy an iPad and I have no idea which one is best suited for my case. Air? Pro? Mini?

While I don't think it's quite that bad, it does remind me of how Steve slimlined the Mac product line almost immediately upon his return.

I know buying a Lenovo is an infuriating experience. So many models with tiny differences in specification.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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>Their size How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? Is bigger safer, or is smaller safer? And if so, why don't other brands of the same size meet your quality standard based on that yardstick. >and demonstrated product quality in other areas Like their multi-year run of defective butterfly keyboards or hinge design that would cut through the MacBooks display cable over time causing the famo…

> How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? I'm pretty sure spoonjim was referring to the size of Apple, not the size of the chargers they make.

Ok, but then there are other huge electronics brands like Samsung or Sony. Why don't they qualify as "safe" by this metric?

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Isn't this ordinary commoditization? Provided Apple keeps innovating, they'll keep ahead. They have a head start, and innovatiin is their corporate organizing principle, from hiring to advertizing. They leave commodity profits on the table. The danger is if China has a monopoly on know-how, i.e. if it's not a "commodity". But that doesn't seem to be the case. However, one day, the iphone will be "good enough", and cu…

It is also partly marketing. Apple has a lot of other pieces of the puzzle like privacy and racial equality and other socio-political issues well rounded up. Loyal Apple fans and customers really like to identify with these principles. Apple does this really well and most Chinese companies are transactional in nature and have been adversely affected by many political and humanitarian issues that are part of their eth…

I find it hard to believe that people are choosing Apple products over competitors because of anything to do with "racial equality". Especially since most of the components are manufactured in China, therefore by buying an Apple product (or basically any other piece of modern consumer electronics), you're helping to fund a racist ethnostate that's currently committing genocide.

What has Apple done to promote racial equality beyond the same vague performative gestures as every other major Western corporation?

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Their size and demonstrated product quality in other areas, plus this guy’s tear down: http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-...

>Their size How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? Is bigger safer, or is smaller safer? And if so, why don't other brands of the same size meet your quality standard based on that yardstick. >and demonstrated product quality in other areas Like their multi-year run of defective butterfly keyboards or hinge design that would cut through the MacBooks display cable over time causing the famo…

Safety != product quality like the examples you gave. Charger blocks is the one spot Apple doesn’t seem to fuck around because of the outsized brand impact it would have (see Samsung’s exploding batteries).

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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"The 2014 iPhone 6 was “the poster child” of this transformation, according to a person involved in the product’s development. While the device had complex internal components and a larger screen, it dropped the diamond-polished edges and the precisely cut glass parts of the back of the iPhone 5 and 5s, which had been difficult to produce." well, that explains why the iPhone went from such a unique design to generic…

I agree that the design of the 6 regressed from the 4/5, but the build quality is much higher than that of the average android. I'm still using a 6 as my daily phone, which means my phone is closer in generation to the original iPhone that it is to the latest one. I wish the (equally expensive) android phones I use at work had anywhere near that longevity.

Does it make sense to compare an iPhone to "the average Android"? iPhones are a premium product; they're not available in the wide range of prices and qualities that Androids are. People who buy iPhones are the type of people who, if they bought an Android, would most likely buy a top-of-the-line Android at a high price. Those are the Androids we should be comparing iPhones to.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Apple is the best company in the world at operations. I don't know how they do it but: 1) Ever year they manage to diligently upgrade iphones/ipads, macbooks and watches. 2) Every year they make some progress in their quest of removing suppliers by becoming vertically integrated. They don't only remove the supplier. They beat their former suppliers specs. (e.g: M1 chip). 3) Every year they make some progress in their…

> I don't know how they do it but:

Easy to answer. Well, it's not the complete answer but I think it's crucial:

Small number of different products.

Think about it, why was the first iPhone so good compared to the competition? On paper, it had a fraction of the competition's features. But as a result, what it did it did so much better.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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> How do you judge the quality and safety of charger purely by size? I'm pretty sure spoonjim was referring to the size of Apple, not the size of the chargers they make.

Ok, but then there are other huge electronics brands like Samsung or Sony. Why don't they qualify as "safe" by this metric?

Samsung literally sold an exploding phone.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Ok, but then there are other huge electronics brands like Samsung or Sony. Why don't they qualify as "safe" by this metric?

Samsung literally sold an exploding phone.

Note 7 did explode. But that wasn't due to them cutting corners and they took it quickly off the market and it never happened to another model after they learned the design lesson where you need to give the battery cell space inside the phone to expand.

And how does one battery incident from one brand prove that Apple is the best at making chargers? We're talking about different things here.

"iPhones don't explode so Apple must be the best?"

Samsung Note 7 exploded before it was taken of the market, but any other brand or model did not, so unless you want to hang on the 2016 Samsung Note 7 incident as strawman argument, you have provided no valid arguments.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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This stuff is why USB-C PD scares me. You've got these manufactures that are struggling to make basic AC->DC inverters and now you want to throw on a negotiation step? Yeah, not going to end well for these cost cutting idiots. There are going to be destroyed devices and fires because some idiot decides "Just hard wire 20v and be done with it!"

I only use Apple chargers in my house, even for non Apple devices. I’m not saying Apple is the only quality charger, but I have no real methodology to assess the quality of any other brand.

There was one person who wrote deep reviews of things like chargers and battery packs (I think) on Amazon, checking for standards compliance and design safety. Does anyone remember who?

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Anyways, I doubt the management style of Mr. Jobs (that worked well in 80s and 90s with subsequent momentum) would work today.

It didn't work so well for him either, he got fired. When he came back, he was different, because he'd gotten married. The terrible official biography of him actually notices that he was better the second time around and totally ignores it, but this is the reason.

What other things were terrible about the biography? It's my favorite biography of all time. I'd love to know better what important parts were left out.
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