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Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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I'm very skeptical that this is a sufficient replacement. Relevant expertise matters. If all the top economics conferences adopted a code of ethics saying they can't study minimum wages or tax increases, that would be a serious constraint on our ability to understand the issues, even if think tanks and sociology conferences ignored those constraints. Perhaps equally importantly, I'm skeptical that you can limit ethic…

So let's examine our axioms: I'd, in some ways, expect Dr. Hanna to ascribe to the axiom that predictive policing is unethical. As such, applied research into "improving" predictive policing would also sit squarely in the unethical space. And I expect that's all you're going to get at an ML conference (outside of explicitly ethics/critique papers): "Our model predicts crime 4.2% better than competing models" However,…

> There's nothing that prevents a think tank from working with domain experts

One issue here is that the pool of domain experts depends on the different incentives faced by different researchers. If the top machine learning conferences all decide to reject papers about predictive policing, then this will reduce the incentive for machine learning researchers (who mostly want to publish in these conferences) to work in the area at all.

Maybe critics of predictive policing think this is good, or think that it's better for the field to restrict itself to the few computer science researchers who are prepared to seriously devote themselves to it? But there don't seem to be very many of them. And, as someone who thinks there is a lot of room for police departments to in general do a better job --- and I think most of the people arguing against predictive policing would believe the same! --- it's disappointing to me that the end result of this argument seems to be disincentivizing technical research on it.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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There are very few, if any, clear cut, night-and-day subjects in ethics. Not wanting to engage with ethics because slippery slopes exist is simply turning from incredibly important work because it’s difficult and not work you want to do. These technologies can incarcerate people. It’s really important to dive onto the slippery slope and find out where it’s stable.

Agreed. Therefore, I ask: how does one tell the difference between software that can and cannot surveil?

It's all so much information. "Surveil" is ambiguous.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Even in the backwater field I'm in—second-language education—AI is creating thorny ethical problems. It has long been assumed that the only way to communicate and cooperate across language barriers is for people to learn each other’s languages or to rely on human interpreters and translators who know more than one language. This need for bilingual ability is a major reason why, in many countries, children are required to study foreign languages in school.

Now machine translation is starting to make it possible for some communication and cooperation to take place between people who are completely monolingual. So should children still be required to study foreign languages? Should international students be allowed to use MT when writing papers for university classes? Should university applicants be required to state whether or not they used MT (or GPT-3!) when preparing their admission essays?

Compared to problems like surveillance and profiling, these issues are trivial. But the fact that they already exist, and the fact that the people involved—educators in this case—have barely begun trying to understand their implications, suggest to me that discussion of ethical issues surrounding AI is vitally important.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Regardless of who you think _should_ stop ethical AI, I think it's pretty apparent that the answer to this question is not "an obnoxious Twitter activist that speaks with the grace and maturity of a 14 year-old 4chan user".

I genuinely don't understand why we've given such influence and power to boorish people like Alex over the past decade.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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Regardless of who you think _should_ stop ethical AI, I think it's pretty apparent that the answer to this question is not "an obnoxious Twitter activist that speaks with the grace and maturity of a 14 year-old 4chan user". I genuinely don't understand why we've given such influence and power to boorish people like Alex over the past decade.

Your comment was the first thing I saw, so I hadn't read the article or anything else and I thought you were talking about Elon at first. Got a good chuckle.

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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>Alex Hanna, the Google ethicist who criticized the Neurips speech-to-face paper, told me, over the phone, that she had four objections to the project. First, ...Second, ....Third, ....Finally, the system could be used for surveillance. I'm curious about this. As I understand it, an ethicist is objecting to the publication of software that could be used for surveillance. If that is correct, does it follow that this e…

A Google ethicist? Who critizes something because it could be used for surveillance? The irony is thick .

I'm not sure what you're criticising here. Would you prefer that ethicists at Google don't criticise surveillance? Or do you prefer that Google not hire ethicists?

Re: Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.?

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I find Alex’s comments pretty openly inflammatory and sensationalist. It’s a pretty far throw from a system that predicts a face from a voice to transphobia.

It's to be entirely expected that people who reject the concept of "normal" find themselves at odds with statistical models.

Who are the “they” here? I’m assuming you’re not calling trans people abnormal, right?
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