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Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by teh_klev »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #39
cycloptic wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not baselessly accuse me of being "disingenuous," I'm trying to help you. If you won't use GoboLinux or ask packagers to make AppImages for the apps you want then I don't know what to say, those are solutions to your problem. If you're saying you want all other distributions to be like GoboLinux, I doubt that would happen because that comes with its own set of other problems. Edit: You can do some pretty in…

> Please do not baselessly accuse me of being "disingenuous," I'm trying to help you. Help me with what exactly? Am I in need of saving for my denial of The One True UNIX Way? > If you won't use GoboLinux or ask packagers to make AppImages for the apps you want then I don't know what to say, those are solutions to your problem. There are lots of reasons I don't use GoboLinux, not the least of which is that I don't th…

Can I refer you to:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

I have no idea how you got the idea that cycloptic was being disingenuous, evangelising or trying to save you "for my denial of The One True UNIX Way".

> I clearly neither asked for, nor want your suggestions! (from below)

On HN most people like to chip in what they think might be suggestions. Either say thanks, but no thanks, or just say nothing instead of being rather rude.

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #46
Enginerrrd wrote: post #17

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Honestly, it's weird that Ubuntu has the reputation that it does. I still conceive of it as a "user-friendly" distro in the back of my mind, but my experience is that it constantly finds new and interesting ways to break. Compare that to Arch, which was a PITA to setup once, but since I have, I've had one minor thing break on an AUR package and that's it. But Arch has the reputation as the one that breaks on updates.…

Yeah. PPAs are such a user-unfriendly alternative to the AUR, which just has everything . Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single key…

>Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single keypresses are interpreted as multiple ones. Lubuntu, however, uses the same crypto greeter as Manjaro seems to, which still works.

EDIT: it turns out that the falling back to the underlying CLI is the greeter's response to arrow key input (e.g., the up arrow key is "^[[A", which is multiple characters[0]). XD And, with Num Lock turned off, the numpad keys work as arrow keys.

0: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/103608

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

wayneftw wrote: post #69
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #46

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Yeah. PPAs are such a user-unfriendly alternative to the AUR, which just has everything . Also, Ubuntu (with GNOME), Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (but not Lubuntu...) recently switched to some new crypto greeter (the thing you put your password into to unlock your encrypted drive at boot) which glitches out very badly. On every other boot, it flickers between its graphical facade and the underlying CLI prompt, and single key…

Sticking with an LTS/Recommended kernel has served me well in Manjaro. Currently I'm running 5.4.95-1. Last year I was running a 4.x kernel but I began having an issue with some piece of software (I forget) that, when I researched it found everybody recommending a switch to a 5.x kernel which fixed it immediately for me. Switching kernels indeed is extremely easy!

Yep, rolling back to 5.4 saved me. :p

Just watch out for 5.10. Happily, 5.11 seems okay, but it's still experimental.

Sticking to the LTS is a great idea, though part of me wants to go "Well then why not just run Ubuntu?! ;w;", despite having some answers. (Funnily, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS actually updates from 5.4 to 5.8. Apparently, the Ubuntu LTS doesn't stick to the LTS kernel now! Unless it never really did.)

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

ryanklee wrote: post #60
ofrzeta wrote: post #36

That article is really weak as are most articles on opensource.com (some kind of content marketing site of Red Hat). I recount the following points as someone who has worked with Linux for many years and is using it on the Desktop as well as on servers at work but (or thus) has not lost his sense for reality: - the point of "automation" applies to all Unix-like systems. You probably could do the same with Powershell…

There's rampant *NIX provincialism out there that's blind to the reality that Windows is basically on par (and even innovative) as a dev environment. Just another form of self-serving elitism.

Windows owns the desktop, laptops, kiosks, and PC games, yet it doesn't have developers, go figure.

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

mamcx wrote: post #44
ur-whale wrote: post #13

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OSX is still miles behind windows when it comes to debugging. I dislike windows with a passion (having had to code on it for ~5 years was torture), but I'm with you: debugging with Visual Studio was the best I've ever had (and I've coded on OSX, Windows, Linux, and other stranger things).

And yet Visual Studio is weak against Delphi and both weak against Visual FoxPro. No mainstream debugger today is good with visualization of data structures (still you see 0xf... everywhere) and much less if have more than 10 entries. With Fox I was able to debug the whole database visually!

Use the right tool, SQL Server Management Studio.

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

cycloptic wrote: post #66
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #58

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As I said, what's wrong is that organizing files in this way is that it necessitates something like a package manager to keep track of which files are associated with which applications. This is not a "nice" way to organize things, it's a needlessly complicated one as evidenced by the operating systems, both current and historical, that don't do that and don't need a package manager. > Windows, for comparison, is hel…

I don't see how the current MacOS is any different from Linux there. For end-user applications you can have the user download an app bundle (equivalent to AppImage) or get it off the app store (equivalent to flatpak/snap). For random open source libraries and utilities, you still would want to use Brew or Macports, which are package managers.

I do just fine with macOS UNIX userspace.

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by ostenning »

I spent the last few years using Arch for development. Meh. There’s a lot of over zealous Linux people that defend it rigorously, and while generally things do work pretty well, the devil is always in the details.

I just switched back to macOS, downgrading to an old dual core 2015 mbp which runs overall better than my T480 with 32GB of RAM.

Don’t get me wrong, I wanted to love it, and I believe in the project, but I’ll check back when there’s a DE that can actually scale its GUI properly and when Bluetooth and Spotify don't make my T480 quadcore processor lag.

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by Shadonototro »

i love linux for everything except for:

- gamedev

- gaming

- audio

- video editing

anything multimedia, linux (for me) only good for terminal based tasks, everything else lags behind competition, even macOS is better suited nowadays

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by mamcx »

pjmlp wrote: post #75
mamcx wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet Visual Studio is weak against Delphi and both weak against Visual FoxPro. No mainstream debugger today is good with visualization of data structures (still you see 0xf... everywhere) and much less if have more than 10 entries. With Fox I was able to debug the whole database visually!

Use the right tool, SQL Server Management Studio.

Oh,

Fox is not like a half-crippled* rdbms of late. The "database" is the whole program! (forms, menus, the database itself, etc)

* in the sense that RDBMS are relegated to data storage, when in the case of fox was open to make full apps

Re: I Love Coding on Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

mamcx wrote: post #79
pjmlp wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use the right tool, SQL Server Management Studio.

Oh, Fox is not like a half-crippled* rdbms of late. The "database" is the whole program! (forms, menus, the database itself, etc) * in the sense that RDBMS are relegated to data storage, when in the case of fox was open to make full apps

I used to do a couple of xBase apps during 1991 - 1994.
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