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How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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All these great minds at work yet somehow clicking on this link in iOS with the Bloomberg app installed takes me to its homepage instead of the actual article I hope between Tim Cook's and Michael Bloomberg's successors we can finally invent the technology to make that work as expected

Not really on topic, but hilariously on point with the tech industry.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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I think the biggest change Tim made from Steve is that Tim’s decision and management style seems more committee/group based, whereas Steve was much more autonomous; this is how it is now do it. I know he didn’t want everyone thinking what would Steve do, but I do often wonder what someone with Steve’s authority would do.

Steve's advice was "Dont think what he would do, but do what you think is right."

The problem is knowing what is right, and that is exactly the strength of Steve. Often by intuition, and some by experience where he made mistakes and he quickly correct. And right now the designed by committee seems to be lacking the latter attribute.

Tim Cook is also much more focused on Revenue and Profits with their Strategy. Steve is much more product based.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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All these great minds at work yet somehow clicking on this link in iOS with the Bloomberg app installed takes me to its homepage instead of the actual article I hope between Tim Cook's and Michael Bloomberg's successors we can finally invent the technology to make that work as expected

As another data point, the app on my iPhone takes me to the correct article.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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I think the biggest change Tim made from Steve is that Tim’s decision and management style seems more committee/group based, whereas Steve was much more autonomous; this is how it is now do it. I know he didn’t want everyone thinking what would Steve do, but I do often wonder what someone with Steve’s authority would do.

The impression I got was that Steve operated in a way that 'seemed' autonomous, but in terms of the results he was still letting folks around him do their thing, even if it went through him. Maybe it was the case of a strong personality / operational style that seemed more autonomous than it was? I find that people often seem to read strong personalities as sort of autocratic by default, even if they're not. Often wh…

That sounds about right. It was called 'management through walking around', and he got up in people's faces and demanded they perform better and compete with each other. He was the arbiter, and fickle, but he wasn't trying to get people to be subservient.

Guy Kawasaki described it as, Jobs was so confident he brought a guy into Apple who took the company away from him. He was so full of himself it was impossible for him to be in any way threatened by capable subordinates no matter HOW good they were: he'd just bully them and be mercurial and try to get their maximum performance out of them.

So in a sense, it was all the other people. Not him.

And in another sense, it took a very unusual person to be able to do that, and be constantly outclassed, and not begin to act defensively. There's a cost to it: Apple was doing the Newton way way before there were cellphones and such. Jobs wasn't that wise, just impossibly audacious, and as such he did manage to operate a team of exceptional people. He wasn't the team, but as far as a leader being the leader, he was about as intense as Gordon Ramsay, and absolutely he let the people around him shine: to him, that WAS him looking good.

And it wouldn't make you safe from criticism for even five minutes, but he did love it when people around him were great. Jobs was the 'A players hire A players. B players hire C players. You hired THAT GUY?' manager. He not only expected people around him to excel, he literally demanded it.

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"The 2014 iPhone 6 was “the poster child” of this transformation, according to a person involved in the product’s development. While the device had complex internal components and a larger screen, it dropped the diamond-polished edges and the precisely cut glass parts of the back of the iPhone 5 and 5s, which had been difficult to produce." well, that explains why the iPhone went from such a unique design to generic…

I don't buy Apple products and I don't use a smartphone. But in 2014 I borrowed an iPhone 5 from a friend and I found it truly well designed. Thickness and weight were very satisfying for 1-handed operation. I haven't found the successors to be anywhere close.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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"The 2014 iPhone 6 was “the poster child” of this transformation, according to a person involved in the product’s development. While the device had complex internal components and a larger screen, it dropped the diamond-polished edges and the precisely cut glass parts of the back of the iPhone 5 and 5s, which had been difficult to produce." well, that explains why the iPhone went from such a unique design to generic…

The good thing for them is that Microsoft Windows' quality decreased so much that I decided to buy a Macbook for the first time in my life.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impression I got was that Steve operated in a way that 'seemed' autonomous, but in terms of the results he was still letting folks around him do their thing, even if it went through him. Maybe it was the case of a strong personality / operational style that seemed more autonomous than it was? I find that people often seem to read strong personalities as sort of autocratic by default, even if they're not. Often wh…

That sounds about right. It was called 'management through walking around', and he got up in people's faces and demanded they perform better and compete with each other. He was the arbiter, and fickle, but he wasn't trying to get people to be subservient. Guy Kawasaki described it as, Jobs was so confident he brought a guy into Apple who took the company away from him. He was so full of himself it was impossible for…

Newton was all Scully as I recall. Not Jobs.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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"The 2014 iPhone 6 was “the poster child” of this transformation, according to a person involved in the product’s development. While the device had complex internal components and a larger screen, it dropped the diamond-polished edges and the precisely cut glass parts of the back of the iPhone 5 and 5s, which had been difficult to produce." well, that explains why the iPhone went from such a unique design to generic…

Agreed, I think the 4S was my favorite version — felt substantial without being excessively heavy and easy to use with one hand. The 7 and 2020 SE I’ve had since then were all just purchases because they were the smallest option when my last phone died out. I’ve never really liked either of them.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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"The 2014 iPhone 6 was “the poster child” of this transformation, according to a person involved in the product’s development. While the device had complex internal components and a larger screen, it dropped the diamond-polished edges and the precisely cut glass parts of the back of the iPhone 5 and 5s, which had been difficult to produce." well, that explains why the iPhone went from such a unique design to generic…

It wasn't just the design, Pre iPhone 6 was the era when Steve Jobs insisted on JIT supply chain management. And no manufacture could cope with the iPhone volume. Even when Apple have fully prepared for iPhone 6 launch, which was the first iPhone to have a phablet size display as it was called at the time. Production still couldn't keep up due to demand from China. iPhone 6 still remains the best selling iPhone in unit volume if you combine two quarter after launch.

And that is part of the reason why you see lots more leaks from Supply Chain in post iPhone 4 era.

Re: How Tim Cook transformed Apple after Steve Jobs

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post #9

"The 2014 iPhone 6 was “the poster child” of this transformation, according to a person involved in the product’s development. While the device had complex internal components and a larger screen, it dropped the diamond-polished edges and the precisely cut glass parts of the back of the iPhone 5 and 5s, which had been difficult to produce." well, that explains why the iPhone went from such a unique design to generic…

It was pretty obvious at the time - after the iPhone 6 with the round edges and ugly antenna colors, the comically giant 6 plus, then a few months later the first Apple Watch (which few people wanted because it was advertised as a notification device) - many people thought that Apple were on a downward trajectory because they've run out of Steve Jobs ideas.

Both product lines seem much healthier now - last year's redesign of the iPhones was solid and the watch looks much more attractive with all of the health features.

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