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Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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Correct, mining in a pool you are guaranteed your fair share of the mining (minus admin fee from the pool operators). Even if you never mine a single block, you get your fair share of the mined blocks by the pool. If you were to mine by yourself, you'd get zero pay outs unless you actually mined a block. It is possible, but the odds are on par with winning the lottery. DYOR on pools, but I can recommend f2pool ( http…

>If you were to mine by yourself, you'd get zero pay outs unless you actually mined a block. It is possible, but the odds are on par with winning the lottery. It's slightly better than that. A single 5700 xt mining ethereum can expect a block once every 43 months at current difficulty. That's still insanely high variance, but still far better than the lottery.

Interesting, that IS slightly better than I expected, at least for Ethereum. So if we treat each block being found as a lottery "ticket" and that solo miner with a 5700xt on average can expect to mine a block ("win the lottery") once every 43 months....

For Ethereum:

1 block every 15 seconds

5760 blocks in a day

172800 in a month (30day avg)

7430400 blocks in a 43 month period.

So about 1 in 7 430 400 odds when solo mining. Pool highly recommended specially because Ethereum is moving away from the current system of mining long before 43 months from now!

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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Maybe we should blame the defenders of constant inflation and government overreach. You mentioned Argentina, which is a prime example of these problems. If we didn't have those problems in the first place, Bitcoin wouldn't be as attractive.

What % of bitcoin owners own it for political reasons along your lines, compared to people just using it as an investment?

Well, since you can own bitcoin anonymously, any answer to this question other than “i don’t know” will have a huge margin of error

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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The fact that bitcoin mining on its own is now consuming as much electricity as the country of Argentina with no end in sight, as we are accelerating toward a climate change cliff, is sickening. Given this fact alone it's hard to see cryptocurrency as anything but a selfish crackpot scheme to generate a few dollars at the expense of humanity and our planet.

Please realize that Argentina uses slightly more energy than a single hydroelectric power station like the Itaipu Dam (103 TWh/year).

A single dam.

So, really the comparison is more a testament of how little electricity Argentina uses.

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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This is somewhat off-topic but I'm going to ask here because it's really hard to find "trusted" information regarding BitCoin and Ethereum mining online - it seems everyone's trying to make a commission or running a scam: Is it true that one cannot (or should not for their best interest) mine BitCoin/Eth without being part of a pool, unless one has a datacenter or warehouse full of GPUs dedicated to mining? If that's…

> Is it true that one cannot (or should not for their best interest) mine BitCoin/Eth without being part of a pool, unless one has a datacenter or warehouse full of GPUs dedicated to mining?

This is false. But you'd have to be incredibly lucky to find the right hash by yourself, so profit are split, luck is shared when pooling.

Edit:. Already answered, didn't refresh before replying.

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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post #77

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Yeah, but the rest of us don't have to put up with legions of people excitedly explaining about how idle devices are great and everyone else should idle more devices. Bitcoin consuming massive amounts of electricity is bad. Idle devices consuming massive amounts of electricity is also bad.

GP claimed that generating dollars using electricity is bad. Isn't that what the majority of companies are doing? Edit: that's my whole point: mining BTC is generating value by verifying transactions. In turn, the miner gets paid for their work.

Companies are generating value, not dollars.

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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post #77

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Yeah, but the rest of us don't have to put up with legions of people excitedly explaining about how idle devices are great and everyone else should idle more devices. Bitcoin consuming massive amounts of electricity is bad. Idle devices consuming massive amounts of electricity is also bad.

GP claimed that generating dollars using electricity is bad. Isn't that what the majority of companies are doing? Edit: that's my whole point: mining BTC is generating value by verifying transactions. In turn, the miner gets paid for their work.

No, companies do not create new money. They create goods and services in order to generate value/profit.

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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The fact that bitcoin mining on its own is now consuming as much electricity as the country of Argentina with no end in sight, as we are accelerating toward a climate change cliff, is sickening. Given this fact alone it's hard to see cryptocurrency as anything but a selfish crackpot scheme to generate a few dollars at the expense of humanity and our planet.

Some cryptocurrencies are trying to fix that by moving to proof-of-stake, which does away with the mining effort entirely.

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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post #80
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but the rest of us don't have to put up with legions of people excitedly explaining about how idle devices are great and everyone else should idle more devices. Bitcoin consuming massive amounts of electricity is bad. Idle devices consuming massive amounts of electricity is also bad.

GP claimed that generating dollars using electricity is bad. Isn't that what the majority of companies are doing? Edit: that's my whole point: mining BTC is generating value by verifying transactions. In turn, the miner gets paid for their work.

Companies generate dollars by first generating things that some people find useful. Just generating dollars by themselves should be done with the smallest possible amount of electricity.

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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The fact that bitcoin mining on its own is now consuming as much electricity as the country of Argentina with no end in sight, as we are accelerating toward a climate change cliff, is sickening. Given this fact alone it's hard to see cryptocurrency as anything but a selfish crackpot scheme to generate a few dollars at the expense of humanity and our planet.

Maybe we should blame the defenders of constant inflation and government overreach. You mentioned Argentina, which is a prime example of these problems. If we didn't have those problems in the first place, Bitcoin wouldn't be as attractive.

How would a completely unregulated currency be better in that regard? Aren't the wild swings in bitcoin price essentially hyperinflation/deflation?

Re: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day (2014)

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post #80
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but the rest of us don't have to put up with legions of people excitedly explaining about how idle devices are great and everyone else should idle more devices. Bitcoin consuming massive amounts of electricity is bad. Idle devices consuming massive amounts of electricity is also bad.

GP claimed that generating dollars using electricity is bad. Isn't that what the majority of companies are doing? Edit: that's my whole point: mining BTC is generating value by verifying transactions. In turn, the miner gets paid for their work.

No, creating new dollars is just updating a database at the fed, basically.

There are no companies that generate dollars. That would be counterfeiting.

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