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Researchers propose that humidity from masks may lessen severity of Covid-19

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Re: Researchers propose that humidity from masks may lessen severity of Covid-19

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And so does the US: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201022/mask-use-by-america... https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americ... Break it down by county or state, and you'll find that many of the the areas with the highest reported compliance have the worst overall metrics: https://delphi.cmu.edu/covidcast/?date=20210209&region=42003... (and before anyone says it: sure, you can argue that mask-wear…

SNIP " Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viru…

Yeah, I've read it, and I've read everything cited in it. In the evidentiary contest between a review paper and empirical reality...reality wins. But let's put a pin in that for a second. This is a bad review, and people need to know why.

This review completely misrepresents the results of cited papers, and is extremely sloppy with many others. For example, they claim that this RCT [0] found evidence supporting mask use for influenza, when in reality, it found no significant difference versus the control. Yet the authors of the Howard review blatantly mis-represent the top-line conclusion of the trial:

> There has been one controlled trial of mask use for influenza control in the general community....It found that “in an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness.”

Moreover, this review omits the only randomized controlled trial ever conducted for masks and Covid [1] (which found no statistically significant protective effect), presumably because the RCT didn't support their argument.

In general, this review's sloppy use of citations (as in the section you've quoted) mixes statements of facts with dubious assertions -- unsupported by any evidence at all -- in order to make it seem that those assertions are fact. For example, from your quote, it's trivial to see examples:

> "nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size"

I don't know what "nonmedical masks" are, but the category is so broad that a statement like this is utterly meaningless, even if it were backed by a citation (which it isn't).

> "nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses"

Again, I'm not sure what a "nonmedical mask" is, but there's no citation here, so this is just a bald assertion.

The evidence base for masks -- of any sort -- against respiratory viruses is so weak that even recent a review published by the CDC in May 2020 argues that they have no effect [2]. For cloth masks specifically, the only randomized trial ever conducted showed that people wearing cloth masks were worse off than those wearing surgical masks [3].

There have been a number of fair, quality reviews of the mask debate (for example, [4]). This is not one of them.

[0] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Esam_Azhar2/publication...

[1] https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

[2] https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

[3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/pdf/bmj...

[4] https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-...

Re: Researchers propose that humidity from masks may lessen severity of Covid-19

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I can't speak for anyone else, but in NYC I've been finding I have to take my mask off outside or I literally can't see, because that's how much my glasses fog up. Like, I walked straight into a pole one night. After that, I decided that the increased risk of getting COVID was lower than the risk of getting hit by a car. I do know it's not this bad for everyone, and I have tried different methods to mitigate it—anti-…

Try tucking the mask slightly under your glasses. And make sure the nose strip has metal and can bend to the shape of your face.

Believe me I've tried. :(

Re: Researchers propose that humidity from masks may lessen severity of Covid-19

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It'd increase them, for sure. Never mind, though, the only cognitive effort required is a focus on gentle breathing. Plus an occasional flick of the duvet to refresh the air!

First comment says: > CO2 tended to cause poor sleep, headache, and hand tremor before it caused cognitive issues.

The idea isn't to go to sleep but to avert a full-blown cold or other respiratory infection if possible. Usually takes 15-45 minutes. But you have to catch it right at the start and you have to be at home, obviously.

If you're concerned about carbon dioxide you can either refresh the air periodically or you can create a small gap in the duvet to allow some exchange of air with the surrounding room (whilst keeping the humidity relatively high).

Re: Researchers propose that humidity from masks may lessen severity of Covid-19

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I've had the same experience in general. my lips often get chapped in sub freezing weather, but that hasn't happened this year.

now once some designer/fashion gets a wind of it, the masks will become a new niche clothing item - a nose/lips warmer like say ear mufflers.

Masks are a part of fashion in Asia already - habitual mask wearing in public has been a thing at least since SARS.

Re: Researchers propose that humidity from masks may lessen severity of Covid-19

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How do you know we don’t? They are instructed by CDC to mark them as covid even if unsure.

We know because, again, various professions have been using masks extensively for decades without all dropping dead of pneumonia. Your theory also falls down with the spikey nature of hospitalizations/deaths. If it were the masks, you'd see a steadily high count of these, not outbreaks that come and go. The big early spikes in Italy and NYC were before masking at all became a thing, even.

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