Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

Post by boomboomsubban » Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 3:02 PM UTC

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I took the term "lock up" to mean arrest. People don't get committed just for having a delusion either, which is why I don't need an specific definition of religion. I don't need to label other people's beliefs. I was just fixing your mistake on the DSM part, but if I'm honest the religion exception was probably to prevent assholes from using it to label anyone religious crazy, and the new one makes it more clear har…

Yet you use a word to label people's belief like religion as somehow protected. I'm not the one giving it a label. You are. I'm simply asking you to explain what you mean by the label you use which is the label of religion. And harm isn't necessary in the DSM 5. Where are you pulling that idea from? Which part of the wording specifically? I'm referring to delusion disorder.

Post by boomboomsubban » Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 10:45 PM UTC

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Again, I think no beliefs should be persecuted. What I call a religion is based on casual observation and deserves no additional protection, but it's broadly someone's metaphysical beliefs. All i said was banning an app based on intolerance of a belief is more objectionable than going after an app out of geopolitical rivalry. Every classification describes harmful delusions, and the symptoms are about ways it negativ…

The Nazis had metaphysical beliefs. Do you think they were persecuted? What about children who have no choice in what beliefs are hoisted upon them? As for religion and beliefs, is it possible to have beliefs without religion, or religion without beliefs? Can you ban one and not the other? And banning for intolerance of a belief is exactly what happened to parler and Trump in the US. Are you against that as well even…

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 12:24 AM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #513

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The Nazis had metaphysical beliefs. Do you think they were persecuted? What about children who have no choice in what beliefs are hoisted upon them? As for religion and beliefs, is it possible to have beliefs without religion, or religion without beliefs? Can you ban one and not the other? And banning for intolerance of a belief is exactly what happened to parler and Trump in the US. Are you against that as well even…

Reaching Godwin's law is a pretty good sign this is over. Everyone has unreligious beliefs, but my rough definition of religion requires beliefs. You could make a law banning religious beliefs, but enforcement would be a shitshow. Beliefs can be a negative thing for your life, and they can lead you to things like insurrection. Banning them will not stop this, and will cause additional damage to society.