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Re: Cancel The New York Times

#51

I'm hoping someone can succinctly explain the hate for the NYT. Didn't get it before, don't get it now. It seems perfectly adequate. Same goes for WSJ, FT, the Economist, WaPo, etc. >I see it now. I see that information and truth and freedom have been oppressed. I had been silenced. We had all been bound and gagged and silenced, not directly, but indirectly, by a strange, complex, invisible, sinister force. But I see…

Because everything they publish is propaganda, you can feel their agenda behind every article and every paragraph.

There is no diversity in their ranks, just conformity and uniformity.

There is no debate of ideas, storms of conflicting concepts, just reaffirmation of the same things they all believe in, the single universal truth they subscribe to with no doubt or consideration to the possibility they may be mistaken.

They do not dispassionately present facts letting the reader make up his mind. They already know what they want the reader to think and they just feed him selected facts to influence him into thinking that way.

They do not write for the world, for the opposition in its diversity. They just write for their own eco chamber, reinforcing preexisting ideas and inflaming the spirits agains the "non-believers".

They are a religion: the FoxNews of the Left.

Re: Cancel The New York Times

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post #46

God this guy, loves to drone on, Just because someone can make a successful product/company doesn't mean they are worldly or wise. This seems to demonstrate that, and honestly, this sort of droning on would give me pause to invest in company he has any leadership role in. Why is this drivel even here?

On the Doylist side, it's here because it was linked from Scott Siskind's response to the NYT article about himself: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/statement-on-new-york-...

I read them in that order, and the OP article at least had context that way. It's in part deliberately bad for rhetorical reasons, since it's a call to arms asking for more people to write, just write, good or bad. It's art-prose in the vein of David Foster Wallace. (Edit: I totally meant Samuel Delany)

Re: Cancel The New York Times

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post #46

God this guy, loves to drone on, Just because someone can make a successful product/company doesn't mean they are worldly or wise. This seems to demonstrate that, and honestly, this sort of droning on would give me pause to invest in company he has any leadership role in. Why is this drivel even here?

That and for someone "who loves to write," he really ought to invest in a copy of Strunk and White. It can't all be short, terse sentences, my man! Definitely furthers the impression he's not completely all there.

Re: Cancel The New York Times

#56

I'm hoping someone can succinctly explain the hate for the NYT. Didn't get it before, don't get it now. It seems perfectly adequate. Same goes for WSJ, FT, the Economist, WaPo, etc. >I see it now. I see that information and truth and freedom have been oppressed. I had been silenced. We had all been bound and gagged and silenced, not directly, but indirectly, by a strange, complex, invisible, sinister force. But I see…

Another comment below answers your question perfectly IMO:

> He feels he has no voice, no power politically and seems to want to lash out at an entity that appears to have both. I don't understand it, but it's not an uncommon story, especially recently.

Re: Cancel The New York Times

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post #50
post #46

God this guy, loves to drone on, Just because someone can make a successful product/company doesn't mean they are worldly or wise. This seems to demonstrate that, and honestly, this sort of droning on would give me pause to invest in company he has any leadership role in. Why is this drivel even here?

> Why is this drivel even here? My guess is exactly because of statements like yours. He makes a good point, and when you can see past the conspiracy theory tone, I think this article is kind of awesome. Your kind of response making people feel like this article is bad is almost the entire point why he writes in a crazy way. Does he actually think the NYT is some singular conspirator, plotting the worlds doom? I high…

Edgy Holden Caulfield vibes will never be a substitute for clarity of thought and evidence for convictions held. Whatever point he is trying to make is lost in the miasma of paranoia and detachment from logic. The existence of Hearst Castle != newspaper economics are healthy and viable, for example.

Re: Cancel The New York Times

#58

I'm hoping someone can succinctly explain the hate for the NYT. Didn't get it before, don't get it now. It seems perfectly adequate. Same goes for WSJ, FT, the Economist, WaPo, etc. >I see it now. I see that information and truth and freedom have been oppressed. I had been silenced. We had all been bound and gagged and silenced, not directly, but indirectly, by a strange, complex, invisible, sinister force. But I see…

> No one has declared themselves the "guild of truth"

Get back to me on this in a couple of years, when "fighting misinformation" reaches its peak. All social media already have "guild of truth", and you can be very effectively silenced if you run afoul of this guild. The formal institutionalization of this de-facto arrangement is still in the works, but there's no doubt there is a wide demand for it and wide agreement - at least among politicians, academia, news media, entertainers and big tech companies - that having a "guild of truth", tightly controlling masses' information intake, is a good and vital project.

> It seems perfectly adequate

Adequate for what? It is a partisan propaganda organ including some infotainment content along the way. For people that see the task of the press to be something else, it is abhorrent. For people seeing nothing wrong with a correct-minded propaganda, especially coupled with a bit of fun infotainment, it's perfectly fine.

Re: Cancel The New York Times

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible, is there lead content in soylent? Like lots of lead? The guy sounds dis-associated from reality. A lot of the "everything is fake news" crowd is disjointed...I'm not sure of Soylent is the cause or not, or if they have investors/advisors if so, I'd be having a conversation about moving him out of the company and maybe into a psych ward for observation.

He has always been divorced from reality: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/op-ed-how-i-gave-up-...

To me, this shows radical leadership, and that he is very unattached to societal norms. Radical leadership meaning that this is kind of the antithesis of a follower mentality. I think it's a kind of genius, but also a personal failing. I really appreciate people who are willing to "question everything", because there are a lot of things we take for granted without thinking about why.

The failures I think this comes from are a form of ignorance and arrogance, and possibly a lack of empathy about how they're perceived. I personally know someone like this that is very intelligent, and thinks that they have all the right answers. There seems to be a mentality of, I have this information facts, given these facts, and that as a goal, *this* is the solution.

With the person I know, a significant problem with their reasoning is that they have important gaps in their knowledge (ignorance). They believe other people just aren't as enlightened as they are (arrogance), and if they were, they would have come to the same conclusion.

For my acquaintance, I believe that the mentality comes from a history of often being right, but also a prolonged social isolation that allowed them to build a myth in their head that they are always right.

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