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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by ubermonkey » Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

young_unixer wrote: post #437

ubermonkey wrote: post #327

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Nope, not morally. Once you send me a message, it's mine. I can tell anybody I want you sent me a message. I can post it publicly if I want.

> Once you send me a message, it's mine Only at the most primitive level of morality. Over that basic layer, I'd still consider how the publication of the message may affect the other person. For example: Do you think it's morally OK to publish nudes that your partner sends you? I don't think it should be illegal, but only a massive asshole would publish their (ex) partner's nudes.

These concerns do not come into play with the sort of communication being discussed.

If you send me unsolicited commercial messages, I'm gonna feel no compunction about publicizing that you're a spammer.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by andagainagain » Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

account42 wrote: post #469

andagainagain wrote: post #126

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Mir and WAyland was because wayland couldn't do what they wanted technically. Snap came BEFORE flatpak. Flatpak was the "new competing standard" in that situation. And Gnome shell, quite frankly, sucked. IMO it still sucks, but back then it sucked WAY worse.

> Mir and WAyland was because wayland couldn't do what they wanted technically. What exactly is it that you think Wayland couldn't do and why was it necessary to invent an incompatible application interface to achieve that? > Snap came BEFORE flatpak. Flatpak was the "new competing standard" in that situation. And AppImage came before snap.

> What exactly is it that you think Wayland couldn't do and why was it necessary to invent an incompatible application interface to achieve that?

From the mir technical architect (found on askubuntu): https://samohtv.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/mir-an-outpost-envi...

> And AppImage came before snap.

Exactly right! And if the ONLY goal was compatibility, we all should be using appimage over snap. But snap was and is trying to promise more in terms of end-user security and transactional updates from the vendor. So there is a legitimate reason to make something new.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by saghm » Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 4:55 PM UTC

hannasanarion wrote: post #466

saghm wrote: post #385

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> When I'm paying for an official Azure version of Ubuntu on Azure, I darn well expect there will be a closer support relationship than the free desktop version. Okay, but maybe other people don't want that if it entails their information being shared with a company they haven't initiated a business relationship with?

> Using their software on professionally hosted servers > haven't initiated a business relationship ????

The servers are not hosted by Canonical

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by hannasanarion » Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

saghm wrote: post #473

hannasanarion wrote: post #466

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> Using their software on professionally hosted servers > haven't initiated a business relationship ????

The servers are not hosted by Canonical

But the servers are running Canonical software. Just because it's GPL'd doesn't mean that Canonical doesn't own it or that you have no relationship with them by using it. You are paying them a license fee to get the azure image, after all.

To say that you have no business relationship with Canonical while paying Canonical to use Canonical software with official Canonical technical support is absurd to the highest degree.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by DocTomoe » Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 9:21 AM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #415

boogies wrote: post #366

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Exactly. IMO a much better analogy would be a vegetarian being presented with a purely carnivorous meal, meat with blood to drink, not being allowed a glass of water, and saying “all I see is meat”. I may be mildly biased as a flexitarian, but I don’t see that as being analogous to removing a steering wheel and complaining about road turns. Maybe analogous to boycotting fossil-fueled vehicles and complaining about a…

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