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Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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FWIW we [0] employ a lot of people in the EU working remotely and a large part of them earns SF/NY salaries. Probably a strong selection bias to the types of companies that choose to work with us. [0]: I'm the CEO of remote.com

I couldn't help but remember the classic IRC exchange: http://bash.org/?258908

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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This could create a "golden chains" situation for employees, whereby they don't leave their job only because of the money, despite not being happy or as productive as they could be.

Isn't this an age-old story? Choosing whether or not to take a pay cut to get work you prefer?

My initial reaction to "oh woe, my employer pays me so much that I don't want to leave!" is "… and this is a problem?"

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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Let's see how long this lasts. This used to be the pathos for many US manufacturers 30 years ago, but it did not last.

They were already paying what they were paying. You can either get same talent at lower salaries or higher salaries and better talent.

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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post #20

Make hay while the sun shines. A true shift to remote work, should it happen, spells the eventual end of insanely high SF FANMAG salaries. Market forces will soon close these opportunities. My limited experience tells me people aren't prepared for homogenization of salaries across geographies: South East England, outside London: 1x London: 2x New York: 3x San Francisco: 6x On making hay: A friend of mine is currently…

That is true, it might be the end of the sustainability of overpopulated cities ...

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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This could create a "golden chains" situation for employees, whereby they don't leave their job only because of the money, despite not being happy or as productive as they could be.

It's a classic #firstworldproblem that many wish they had. I certainly wouldn't blame the employer for that.

It could be a problem for the employer as well, if it results in having a bunch of employees doing minimum effort.

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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This could create a "golden chains" situation for employees, whereby they don't leave their job only because of the money, despite not being happy or as productive as they could be.

It could also be a fast track to the financial freedom. Work for 10 years receiving an SF salary living in a low COL area, save agressively and invest in low-cost broad-market ETFs. One should be pretty well financially doing this.

w.r.t investing: If you're on a good income you are actually incentivized to do so in some countries. In the UK every pound you earn between $140K and $170K USD is effectively taxed at 65%. Investing via contributions in to a pension is tax free. 100% gross salary. Even if the market goes nowhere for 30 years that's 3.5% annualized return.

You pay tax when you take your pension of course, but by that point its on your terms.

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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post #20

Make hay while the sun shines. A true shift to remote work, should it happen, spells the eventual end of insanely high SF FANMAG salaries. Market forces will soon close these opportunities. My limited experience tells me people aren't prepared for homogenization of salaries across geographies: South East England, outside London: 1x London: 2x New York: 3x San Francisco: 6x On making hay: A friend of mine is currently…

People having been claiming the death of high salaries for years. My employer (FAANG-like) is willing to hire across 3 hour time zones, we have 20+ headcount to fill, and still can't find people fast enough.

Fact is, good engineers that can scale reliable systems, build product, work with other teams, mentor junior engineers, etc. are still damn hard to find.

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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This could create a "golden chains" situation for employees, whereby they don't leave their job only because of the money, despite not being happy or as productive as they could be.

You've just described how employment feels for most people. Y'think people who work two jobs do it so they can maximize their hapiness and productivity?

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

#29
PSA: When comparing US and EU salaries (or anywhere, really), use total cost to employer (excluding fixed office costs), or total benefit to employee (incl. taxes paid in their name and health/retirement costs).

US salaries are mostly discussed before taxes, while often for EU countries it's after taxes and/or after mandatory health insurance and retirement savings.

Re: Spotify is letting employees work from anywhere while paying SF and NY salaries

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post #29

PSA: When comparing US and EU salaries (or anywhere, really), use total cost to employer (excluding fixed office costs), or total benefit to employee (incl. taxes paid in their name and health/retirement costs). US salaries are mostly discussed before taxes, while often for EU countries it's after taxes and/or after mandatory health insurance and retirement savings.

> US salaries are mostly discussed before taxes, while often for EU countries it's after taxes and/or after mandatory health insurance and retirement savings.

Citation? I think pretty much all salaries discussed in Europe was before tax

(Stock option on the other hand are usually not counted)

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