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Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by mhh__ »

tluyben2 wrote: post #305
mhh__ wrote: post #296

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E.g. criticise the Orangeman and watch the downvotes pour in. Criticise his opponents, or have some contrarian defence of him, not much happens.

I saw a lot of downvotes and defenses like you say, but the down votes, as far as I have seen, were on rants or reddit type blurbs about Trump which people do not like here. And the defenses were well thought out. Anyway that is what I have seen; i started checking because I thought it weird there are so many Trump supporters on here (might still be the case: as eu person I also find it strange there are a fair amoun…

The average vocal HN commenter on these matters are much more likely to be a fairly conservative techno-republican than elsewhere on the internet e.g. nearly every thread I've seen on the Capitol Riots (apart from the main one, which after being flagged and restored had an influx of fresh blood) has some kind of smarmy "ah yes but what about the (black people) looting and murdering in the summer". Similarly any thread on gun control shows just how much some Americans view gun violence as a mere cost of doing business so they can own an assault rifle.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by cptnapalm »

hoppla wrote: post #145
mmaunder wrote: post #24

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Indeed. Their 17 HMR with varmint barrel is a whole lot of fun and really accurate. (Same caliber as a BB gun but with a lot more powder, in case you’re not a gun geek)

Got a CZ455 varmint with interchangeable 22LR and 17HMR barrels. Good for practice shooting and hunting small game. The weight of the rifle also gives me good training as it’s heavy as my bigger 308 rifle (Sauer 202).

Gives me a rifle to look into. Thanks.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

nicoburns wrote: post #327
nickthemagicman wrote: post #323

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The UK is a bigger surveillance state than China. They have one of the worst levels of inequality in the Western World. You have ASBO's which are basically just a blank slate for people to be punished for the vague idea of 'anti-social behavior.' Also, your violent crime rate is the 3rd worst in Europe. The U.K. has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100k while the U.S. is 5 per 100k. Meanwhile there are 400 MILLION guns in…

So you're saying there are 4x as many murders in the US? There are definitely lots of problems in the UK: over surveilance and inequality are two of them. But I fail to see how guns would help either of these.

How do you view your govt?

As benevolent with good intentions?

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Post by nickthemagicman »

nicoburns wrote: post #327
nickthemagicman wrote: post #323

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The UK is a bigger surveillance state than China. They have one of the worst levels of inequality in the Western World. You have ASBO's which are basically just a blank slate for people to be punished for the vague idea of 'anti-social behavior.' Also, your violent crime rate is the 3rd worst in Europe. The U.K. has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100k while the U.S. is 5 per 100k. Meanwhile there are 400 MILLION guns in…

So you're saying there are 4x as many murders in the US? There are definitely lots of problems in the UK: over surveilance and inequality are two of them. But I fail to see how guns would help either of these.

If any country needs violent overthrow of their govt which enforces systemic inequality it's England.

It's been a thousand years since the battle of Hastings and these same families still own 2/3s of the land.

And the inequality is just getting worse!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr...

Although if someone's in the beneficiary of that they wouldn't see the issue.

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Post by riffraff »

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #266
riffraff wrote: post #255

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I am betting that 90% of those are hunting rifles, and the overlap between computer geeks and people who hunt these days is pretty low based on my personal experience.

It's growing though! Growing right alongside the Farm to Table movement is the Catch, Clean, Cook movement. There's also a significant, separate overlap between computer geeks and people that like to exercise their rights (See: Crypto Wars) which results in non hunting gunowners.

in the US maybe? My comment was in the context of Europe.

In my father's generation there were a ton of hunters (something like 70% of my in laws), but I have met a single person who hunts in my career in IT in Europe.

Guns for personal defence/sport are just not common on this side of the pond, I think.

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Post by dang »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #180
da_big_ghey wrote: post #150

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You will find that many of us gun rights supporters don't care what data comes out. I don't support 2a because fewer than n people die per year from guns.

Your honesty is refreshing, and psychopathic.

Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments either.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by nicoburns »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #334
nicoburns wrote: post #327

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So you're saying there are 4x as many murders in the US? There are definitely lots of problems in the UK: over surveilance and inequality are two of them. But I fail to see how guns would help either of these.

If any country needs violent overthrow of their govt which enforces systemic inequality it's England. It's been a thousand years since the battle of Hastings and these same families still own 2/3s of the land. And the inequality is just getting worse! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr... Although if someone's in the beneficiary of that they wouldn't see the issue.

I agree that we could do with reform. But why does it need to be violent?

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Post by andrewzah »

mhh__ wrote: post #294
ryandrake wrote: post #240

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Back in the early 2000s I worked at a company where we did a fun “Bring Your Gun to Work day” on Wednesdays. Instead of going to a restaurant at lunchtime we went to the shooting range instead. Was a really popular activity, probably 1/3 of the office participated. Some people brought several guns to try. Good times! Could never do this these days in Silicon Valley though :(

Honestly I would rather there wasn't a "bring a lethal weapon" to work day. How very American. If you want to go down to the range after-work, by all means do so, but the way you Americans trivialise a toy good for nothing but war in many cases is really fascinating.

"but the way you Americans trivialise a toy good for nothing but war in many cases"

Ever heard of hunters? A LOT of people hunt. Also, until relatively recently it was common for american kids to bring guns to schools, and leave them in their car until after school so they could go hunting, etc. Instead of addressing things like mental health issues, it's easier to demonize guns because the politicians don't actually have to do anything other than introduce token legislation.

It's a right written in the constitution, and only referring to guns as "weapons of war" is political rhetoric. And hunting is not the only reason to own a gun- that's also political rhetoric.

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Post by yellowapple »

pauke wrote: post #206
emteycz wrote: post #151

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Every tenth adult in Czechia carries a gun. Last time I checked, Czechia was safer than UK.

Nope on the first part. 8M adults, 300k gun permits. And that's including almost 100k active police/military. As for the latter part, maybe, but there is way more guns in US than in CZ. And last time I checked.. Let's say I don't think there is any correlation between the two statements.

> 8M adults, 300k gun permits.

This assumes that everyone carrying a gun has a permit to do so.

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Post by yellowapple »

philipkglass wrote: post #184
yellowapple wrote: post #105

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Correction: it's not a significant contributing factor yet . It takes a pretty advanced case of myopia to not be able to foresee home firearm manufacturing growing. At the current rate of development, I give it 10 years, tops, before European and Australian gun control measures are effectively meaningless.

If the guns themselves become easy to manufacture I think that there will be more emphasis on controlling and tracing ammunition, including primers and propellants for handloading. Making stable, uniform smokeless propellant starting from raw cellulose and over-the-counter chemicals is a huge investment of skill and effort. Making black powder is more tractable but still a lot of effort. Most aspiring firearm enthusi…

> Making stable, uniform smokeless propellant starting from raw cellulose and over-the-counter chemicals is a huge investment of skill and effort. Making black powder is more tractable but still a lot of effort.

Re: black powder, I think you're overestimating the level of effort a bit. It certainly hasn't gotten harder to make it after the Industrial Revolution. Hell, there are even WikiHow articles on it: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-Black-Powder

It's the primers that are, from my understanding, the tricky thing to replace. I suspect that if push came to shove, though, a primer shortage/restriction would lead to designs of new cartridges and firearms built around spark plugs or some other alternative source of ignition. 3D printing would enable the sorts of quick prototyping necessary to rapidly iterate on unconventional firearm designs like that.

> Most criminals who want guns just as crime accessories don't have the discipline and drive to make weapons that they can't buy.

Well that's the thing: they don't have to be the ones making them, just like how drug dealers are not usually the ones themselves making the drugs. This is something that could very well be the purview of some black market cottage industry.

> (Thank goodness, or homemade bombs with wireless command detonation would already be common instruments in areas with gang rivalry.)

I mean, bombings are pretty common in a lot of places. See also: Ireland during the Troubles, the Middle East today, etc. And with quadcopters being widespread, it's probably only a matter of time before we start seeing drone bombings.

Cat's pretty much out of the bag. Pandora's opened the box. The only viable approach to stopping violence is to end it at its source: by addressing the reasons why people commit violence in the first place.

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