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Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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I grew up in an era where running your own servers was just generally accepted practice. It's been fascinating watching how dramatically that viewpoint has shifted over the years to the point where it is now a novel idea to do so.

I worked at a startup that managed its own bare metal. It was very hard and time consuming. And when things went down it was on you. You needed a really good datacenter partner to make sure that they were on top of things and could drop things at a moment's notice. But you don't know how responsive they will be until you're actually experiencing an outage.

The level of convenience that cloud providers give is just orders of magnitude more efficient and easier.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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I’m not sure running their own hardware and relying on an ISP or colocationg at a datacentre would help Parler compared with renting services/VMs from someone like Amazon. Just about all ISP have terms and conditions that prohibit use that they find offensive. Data Foundry, mentioned in the article, acceptable use policy is below and I’m sure could be used to kick out Parler https://www.datafoundry.com/legal/aup

It's possible to hide one's presence from the datacenter by a shell company and a CDN.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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post #13

I doubt running your own server is always the right solution.There are pros and cons for and against hosting yourself. A small company without dedicated security team may get hacked and all customer data exposed, for example. Contrary to what this article insinuates, the vast majority of companies do not have to worry about violating the terms of services of cloud providers and other external services, because they d…

"the vast majority of companies do not have to worry about violating the terms of services of cloud providers"

https://blog.checklyhq.com/why-the-recent-digital-ocean-kill...

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

Depends on where you live and what the law says. I believe some Americans would answer 'yes' to all of those. A transaction between private individuals (or non-governmental organisations) is a privilege, not a right.

In other parts of the world there would be limits and requirements set by the parties elected by the people, i.e. rules on what things you can and can't discriminate on (like ability to pay you can measure, but skin color is not allowed to be a factor for selling electricity). Generally there is a list of factors that you cannot use to allow/deny sale.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

Power supply and water are utilities. Mobile connectivity and internet are not. Groceries are not. Someone else's speech isn't a protected class, except for speech due to religion. Discrimination based on things that aren't a property of being in a protected class is legal for any non-utility. Personally I'd say that internet service providers should be utilities and regulated as such, but currently they aren't so th…

Authenticity plays a huge role here. Why do we let shit by the metric ton over the firewall attack free liberties and social discourse online? China literally has payed 3 million + people for years to do this, that's two agents for every social group in the free world.

Most of the bullshit our western democracies have experienced in the last years online should be archived and studied for the crimes our Russian Chinese friends have committed against our free democracy.

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That’s why you also check Fast.com - it’s on Netflix’s servers, so you can’t whitelist Fast without also whitelisting Netflix.

Surely it'd be trivial to increase the user's speed to Netflix servers if they've visited Fast.com in the last three minutes or similar?

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Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

If it’s a government service (like power and water in many cases), that’s why freedom of speech as a right exists - to protect you from government retaliation for speech. For mobile connectivity and internet, similar rules apply if the service is a common carrier which recognizes the fact that while private, these organizations operate as government-allowed monopolies. For groceries, that’s a private business. If you…

No, the 1A was designed to protect you from the government. "Freedom of speech" is a separate matter entirely.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

You can’t live in a society without using other people’s stuff (practically, I’m sure we could come up with examples of ownership concepts being challenged).

But living in a society means not upsetting people so badly that they won’t sell you groceries. There’s tons of ways to do that while retaining your ability to speak what’s on your mind, you just have to be thoughtful about how your words effect others, even if just to make sure you don’t get kicked out of society.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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The "reason" given why Parler failed is awfully glib and one dimensional. You can't just serve content to millions of people per day and think you can just up and move to another provider. Had Parler just moderated their posts like they were asked to do, they would still be around. You can still have right wing, even extreme right wing views without calling for violence or organizing insurrections. The fact they esse…

That and their hardware footprint seemed ridiculously overprovisioned. You can serve content to millions of people per day with fewer boxes than they were using.

I always try to design a "degraded mode" read-only into my apps that covers maintenance windows and unscheduled outages. That is usually easier to lift and shift than the full app and can even be hosted someplace else if you don't mind it lagging behind the live website.

Re: Parler’s epic fail: A crash course on running your own servers

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> freedom minded > tech oligarchs ...here we go. I really struggle to understand how some folks didn’t realize they were using other people’s things until recently. Maybe the fact that they weren’t physically in a space was hiding the proverbial threshold crossing activity that takes place a dozen or so times as you travel to twitter.com. It is free speech to kick someone off your platform. Freedom minded individuals…

Is it freedom of speech to cut off your power supply and running water if I don't like your face? What about mobile connectivity and internet? Can we refuse to sell you groceries? Can you live without 'using other people's stuff' except like a hermit in a cave?

Nice strawman argument.
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