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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by qubit000 »

ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

That applies to any government. US lies, cheats, steals as admitted by Mike Pompeo when he was head of CIA.

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Post by saiya-jin »

eecc wrote: post #460
mcswell wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is wrong, even deceitful, for a couple reasons: 1) No country (officially, or afaik in reality) has a bio weapons lab, and certainly not "all over the world". Nobody (well, nobody official) ever said the Wuhan virus lab was a bioweapon lab; it's a virology lab. 2) The Wuhan virus lab has been experimenting with corona viruses for a long time, including gain of function, and it had a history of problems. 3) There…

Sorry to ruin your narrative, but SARS-CoV-2 was circulating well before it showed up in Wuhan. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-tim... Perhaps people noticed it when it hit Wuhan and freaked out because of the Research Institute thinking “oh shit, is this what they’re playing with?”

Which gives us interesting angle as to why it was first recorded so close to virus research lab in Wuhan. Could be a huge coincidence, or maybe... some impressive operation to blame those filthy commies. Maybe a fit far fetched, maybe not

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

jchook wrote: post #44
throwaway4good wrote: post #33

Boo. The Americans need to shut up or actual provide evidence for their outrageous claim that the virus escaped from a lab.

I've seen papers from several scientists who believe that SARS-CoV-2 had laboratory origins. You can find them on Google Scholar or similar search engines, but you cannot post them to HN or Twitter because they get instantly censored. The evidence against laboratory origins seems flimsy to me as well. The most cited paper says because the virus infects humans suboptimally it must not be lab grown in human cells. Also…

> You can find them on Google Scholar or similar search engines, but you cannot post them to HN or Twitter because they get instantly censored.

That seems crazy. Can you give me a pointer on what to search for?

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Post by saiya-jin »

hayst4ck wrote: post #256
tripletao wrote: post #145

I don't know whether SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab. But if it did, then not only is it probably not the first lab-origin pandemic, but it's also not the first time the WHO initially excluded that possibility. The 1977 Russian Flu pandemic was genetically near-identical to a strain from 1950, without the expected mutations that should have appeared after 27 years of undetected circulation among humans or animals. It's…

I found this quite convincing: https://project-evidence.github.io/ Summary (IIRC): The most likely explanation of its origins is a person who collected bats for a lab in Wuhan contracted the disease in the cave where bats were collected.

that ignores the finding of Covid in September 2019 in Italy, which would make connection to Wuhan lab questionable

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Post by qubit000 »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #332
kmonsen wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although disagree with almost everything about trump, I think he was in some way right about China. I don’t think it has anything to do with the Chinese people though. Also, I don’t think he went about it in an effective way at all, it seems like the ccp was betting on him just going away after a while and just suffering the pain for a while.

What you mention deserves to be repeated. The chinese people and the CCP are not the same thing, just as the national security apparatus of the US... and US citizens are separate too. its natural to catch flak, but it happens to both sides. The saudi arabia govt is friendly to our govt, but the vast majority of their population thinks its totally OK to blow up US citizens. Iranian leadership is constantly at odds wit…

The CCP consists of 90M+ party members who represent all facets of society--larger than entire population of Germany. Include family members and it's 300M+ almost size of US.

Furthermore, it's an integral part of Chinese society with overwhelming support among its citizens (>90%). The CCP is continuation of past dynasties operating under the 'Mandate of Heaven' to serve the people. Failure to do so and it will be replaced.

So no, this often repeated fallacy by the west that they condemn CCP not the Chinese people is not only ignorant but supremely arrogant and condescending in assuming 1.4B are somehow mindless robots at the mercy of the few.

Demonizing the CCP, is in effect, directly insulting the Chinese people.

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Post by foolmeonce »

zepto wrote: post #227
foolmeonce wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the fact that China didn't cooperate should affect future health policy? edit- make China/cooperate more explicit.

Of course - if China knew more, earlier, wouldn’t you say knowing this should affect policy in future?

Yes that's what I said:

> That China blocked the Who's efforts and the WHO disclosed this is more relevant to future health policy than where this particular outbreak started.

(Obviously the WHO, like any part of the UN can do nothing but document anything a superpower refuses to do.)

Now how does that build a case that the WHO is a problem instead of allowing superpowers to have super power is a problem?

It seems to me like people down voting my original comment are members of superpower states with hypocritical stances.

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Post by Splatter »

cratermoon wrote: post #297
turdnagel wrote: post #294

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Why do you think that is inevitable if the Chinese government continues to obfuscate?

Epidemiology. History. The Spanish Flu was called that because at the time everyone (for xenophobic reasons... sound familiar?) blamed Spain. Today we can say with reasonable confidence that the source of the 1918 influenza epidemic was.... wait for it..... Kansas

Epidemiology and history wasn't as effective as you think in identifying the origins of The Spanish Flu. The origin being Kansas is only one of many plausible theories.

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Post by sgt101 »

We know that China made a mess of the first phase of the pandemic. There was a huge new years party in Wuhan and an uncontrolled outbreak. That was in the news at the time, but someone then put the story about a lab excursion out which is probably untrue and this has been a key focus of discussions since.

To me this is like a magician distracting the audiences attention from the gold penny - you are all looking in the wrong place while the real issue is being forgotten.

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