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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by nervlord »

refenestrator wrote: post #373
AzzieElbab wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Covid-19 is not ENTIRELY Trump's fault" - in what way is it his fault at all? Also, the timeline of events you are sighting is intentionally misleading.

He encouraged people not to wear masks as a lifestyle choice and cultural signalling thing. Some % of transmission rate is directly attributable to him -- he could have said wearing a mask owns the libs and massively helped instead of hurting.

Dr Fauci told people masks where ineffective early on in the pandemic, allegedly for the "altruistic" motive of ensuring "front line" workers don't have issues getting hold of masks. Do you attribute a percent of transmission to him?

The final verdict on the efficacy of masks against this virus is still TBD once we have more information and the passage of time removes the political agenda's that cloud this conversation. Your "own the libs" certainly doesn't help either.

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Post by knolax »

ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

And I'm an albino penguin from Mars. If you'd actually have relatives in China you would be able to see very clearly that they handled the pandemic far better than the US. It's disappointing that this generic "don't trust the communists" comment is the top comment instead of any actual debate about the merit of the report or the US gov't's accusations.

> shocked at all if it was a lab virus

That's a useless statement. It's just a weak appeal to authority with no proof in any direction. I live in the US. Me saying that "I wouldn't be surprised" it came from the US wouldn't mean jack squat without evidence.

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Post by jbritton »

cameldrv wrote: post #233
shireboy wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming justification for GoF research wasn't "we want to make a bioweapon". What are the arguments in favor of this type of research?

The specific thing that they said they were trying to do was predict emerging pathogens and develop treatments and potentially vaccines for them in advance of them actually making a zoonotic jump. They were creating chimeric Coronaviruses to simulate natural recombination events, then infecting humanized mice with them to assess their potential for human emergence.

Does any of this research actually matter with the technology we now have? We can sequence a virus. We were able to build a vaccine in one day based upon the sequence. One thing I don’t understand is how the spike protein was identified as the important piece. Was this done by diffing sequences against other coronaviruses?

I’m bothered by the fact that GOF research was banned in the USA, and then the NIH setup funding for it in Wuhan. I think the need and safety of this research should come under serious scrutiny.

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Post by [deleted] »

mnming wrote: post #407
ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

I found it interesting that on HN, without concrete evidence, when OP says: don't ever trust {A} on issue {B}. Depending on what A, B is, OP will usually get treated differently. A -> CCP. OP -> a concerned citizen. A -> Race/Color/Religion/Gender. OP -> Racist/Sexist. A -> Trump. OP -> a concern citizen. A -> Scientist. OP -> conspiracist. But one thing that I am sure is that it'll never ever be constructive. Not me…

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Post by nervlord »

cauliflower2718 wrote: post #398
ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

What other issues would you not trust the Chinese government on? For example, is food safety one of them?

Well, yes. Chinese tourists come into Australia and buy up all available baby formula, as the baby formula produced in china was literally killing children, I think a total of 300?

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Post by knolax »

rlt wrote: post #410
mnming wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it interesting that on HN, without concrete evidence, when OP says: don't ever trust {A} on issue {B}. Depending on what A, B is, OP will usually get treated differently. A -> CCP. OP -> a concerned citizen. A -> Race/Color/Religion/Gender. OP -> Racist/Sexist. A -> Trump. OP -> a concern citizen. A -> Scientist. OP -> conspiracist. But one thing that I am sure is that it'll never ever be constructive. Not me…

I mean, if you say “don’t ever trust” an entire race/sex, then yeah, by definition you are racist/sexist.

Reading HackerNews has lowered my trust in the demographic categories that make up the majority of this forum, including ones I belong too.

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Post by P0l83q4p1Hw3Ul »

rlt wrote: post #410
mnming wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it interesting that on HN, without concrete evidence, when OP says: don't ever trust {A} on issue {B}. Depending on what A, B is, OP will usually get treated differently. A -> CCP. OP -> a concerned citizen. A -> Race/Color/Religion/Gender. OP -> Racist/Sexist. A -> Trump. OP -> a concern citizen. A -> Scientist. OP -> conspiracist. But one thing that I am sure is that it'll never ever be constructive. Not me…

I mean, if you say “don’t ever trust” an entire race/sex, then yeah, by definition you are racist/sexist.

What about pointing out more factually based claims such as which groups commit more crimes, etc?

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Post by rlt »

astrange wrote: post #409
msie wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking if a virus was first spotted in New York City and it had a virus lab, would that be immediately blamed? It’s like all there is in Wuhan is a wet market and a virus research lab and they are located next to each other. I think that’s how the world perceives Wuhan.

Why is this supposed to be important? It literally doesn't matter if a virus comes out of a lab, if you can find an equally dangerous virus in the nearest bat cave. Being able to blame someone would not solve your actual problems.

What? Of course it matters. If it was accidentally released from a lab, those responsible should be held accountable so it’s less likely to happen again.

If it was intentionally released, it’s even more important to know by who and why.

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Post by runawaybottle »

msie wrote: post #394
ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

I was thinking if a virus was first spotted in New York City and it had a virus lab, would that be immediately blamed? It’s like all there is in Wuhan is a wet market and a virus research lab and they are located next to each other. I think that’s how the world perceives Wuhan.

Look, Americans would question the fuck out of the real origin of the virus if the official story was it came from a Wendys in Manhattan. That’s pretty much what CCP is saying, ‘uh, our local Wendy’s had like a virus’.

Yeah ok.

How about this China, find out what cave the market was getting their bats from. Go in there, confirm the bats have it, and release some data.

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Post by asguy »

refenestrator wrote: post #373
AzzieElbab wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Covid-19 is not ENTIRELY Trump's fault" - in what way is it his fault at all? Also, the timeline of events you are sighting is intentionally misleading.

He encouraged people not to wear masks as a lifestyle choice and cultural signalling thing. Some % of transmission rate is directly attributable to him -- he could have said wearing a mask owns the libs and massively helped instead of hurting.

Do you feel the same way about Nancy Pelosi telling people to “come to Chinatown” during the start of the pandemic?
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