First: Calling the virus Chinese is racist.
Second: Trump is now gone.
Now: The virus might have come from a lab in China.
Summary: Playing politics harms all.
US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
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Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's been a problem even internally in China where local government hides things from those up the chain and then things get out of hand.
That’s exactly what happened with covid-19. By the time Beijing knew about it things were already out of control.
Yeah...the irony is Beijing blames Wuhan for not being transparent. And here's Beijing doing the same.
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#353So which is it?
That the Chinese eat bats? Or that this was a lab leak?
Because it obviously cannot be both!
But yet, all the racist white people of the world, and yes, they were all white people, were accusing the Chinese of being disgusting and eating bats.
The western world claims that they are multicultural, and not racist, but yet, this one thing caused them to show their true racist colors.
Surprisingly, no normal white people, came to the defense and shouted down the racists among them. Thus validating the fact, that their silence meant that they supported all the racist vitriol that came out from their fellow brethren.
The truth hurts. I know. I expect that my comment will be flagged and censored.
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#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
World governments were formally advised by the WHO to not impose any travel restrictions. The WHO also laughably said there is no "human transmission" of the virus. The WHO chief just blindly parroted whatever the CCP said for nearly 2 months while the pandemic spread and got out of control. That man deserves to be stripped out of his position. But he will face no justice for the many, many lives he has taken. The en…
There is a reason, the U.S. has traditionally had a U.S. WHO representative in China since the first SARS outbreak, well until TRUMP. Trump's removal of the U.S. presence "on-the-ground" made it easy for the Chinese gov't to delay the real-time reporting while they struggled to figure out on their own whether they had something really serious to worry about or not. Covid-19 is not ENTIRELY Trump's fault, but he sure…
I wasn't aware of that. Can you let me know who was the earlier representative and their term period ?
I fully agree that Trump could have handled the virus better. Unfortunately, ALL media attention was focused on his impeachment at the time and he was derided as a racist and tyrant for banning China travel.
He should had the courage to ban all international travel immediately when the virus got to the EU and begun to initiate national readiness. Some nations did this and suffered far less as a result. Sadly, he - like so many national leaders - took the virus seriously far too late.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's bizarre that Reuters thought that this preprint was fit to report on. 8 months later, it still hasn't passed peer review. If a Mar 2019 introduction in Spain were real, they would have found more cases and been able to sequence them, instead of just getting a little blip on a super-sensitive assay.
How about these: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2020/12/01/study-sug... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/15/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy...
I think this is the Italian study you reference: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/03008916209747...
Again, they didn't (or failed to) sequence the virus to prove it was in the samples, and their antibody data (fig 1) doesn't make any sense. IgM antibodies are acute and IgG longer-lasting, so they should appear more like a cumulative distribution if there was a real outbreak. They didn't test their antibody assay for cross-reactivity to seasonal coronaviruses, so that's probably what's going on here.
Same story for the American study (https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid...), though Forbes was at least minimally competent enough to quote a scientist's tweet pointing out the limitations, and the authors even address "potential cross reactivity with human common coronavirus infection". Only 1 sample, from 10 Jan 2020, was positive across all their antibody tests, and no samples were sequenced! These studies all fail to properly account for the false positive rate of their assays, and then pretend that all the positive hits are SARS-CoV-2 without any orthogonal verification.
Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
#356First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…
Is it just me or is there a deep irony here? I find it interesting that one of the oft maligned attributes of religious communities, especially those in authority in said communities, is this same behavior. Do good things and be open, but also very much protect the brand. As a naive westerner I've hear/learned/assumed that Chinese communism/society was areligious. When described as you (OP) put it, it seems that abst…
> Do good things and be open, but also very much protect the brand
is that not the default mode for families? elementary/middle/highschool/universities? work? any communities you spend a lot of time in?
Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they had just responded to the outbreak instead of trying to cover it up initially and been a little more open with the international community they would have been lauded for their handling of the situation Are we talking about China or the Trump administration?
I'm no fan of the Trump administration or their handling of COVID, but they didn't throw doctors in jail or censor their research. Entirely different level of screwup.
We don't have the exact same things, but similar:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/24/birx-says-someone-was-giving...
Dr. Deborah Birx, the Trump White House coronavirus response coordinator, said in a CBS interview released on Sunday that former President Donald Trump had been reviewing “parallel” data sets on the coronavirus pandemic from someone inside the administration.
"Rebekah Jones, the data scientist who helped create Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, has turned herself in to police, in response to an arrest warrant issued by the state. " https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...
Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
#358First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…
Wait a second. The report was from the WHO not china. WHO have consistently confirmed it is not a lab virus. Or are we saying that the international group that entered china were some how in league with the CCP?
Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
#359First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…
There is a word for this. It’s called: obviously.
How is this different from any other country? Do you think that the United States government, or any other western government, would accept any damaging rumors that would cause embarrassment to them?
Just look at their hypocrisy when it comes to Assange or Snowden. But at least these two are still alive. For now. Too bad for the Australian guy that exposed Australia’s recent war crimes, he got pleasantly suicided. That’s the penalty for upsetting the western world order. Thanks for playing.
Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If they had just responded to the outbreak instead of trying to cover it up initially and been a little more open with the international community they would have been lauded for their handling of the situation Are we talking about China or the Trump administration?
I'm no fan of the Trump administration or their handling of COVID, but they didn't throw doctors in jail or censor their research. Entirely different level of screwup.
They didn't throw doctors in jail. They questioned a number of doctors, and then censored them.
Not unlike Fauci and the CDC being censored and forced to send information through the DHS...
So you are right entirely different level of screwup - China Censored a single Dr, US censored the CDC.