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Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

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Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

#21
Why not to join a startup after graduating:

1) Leverage (lack thereof): When you work for a larger player, you have established yourself as a person that the firm found acceptable. Having a big name company on your resume means that you were accepted (and lets be honest, for however bad people describe working at a large company, there are enough people who want to work there that it lends credibility). I've had countless offers just handed to me (ie joke interview, sometimes even just offers on the spot) based on pedigree.

Addressing his argument about "cashing in chips", it comes when you decide to start on your own. Just mentioning names of my former employers or work therein automatically confers a sense of legitimacy, and I've noticed that my phone calls are actually returned (try A/B testing this)

2) Cash upfront: The ideal ideal solution is to bootstrap your own startup. Unfortunately that means you need to have enough cash to bootstrap.

To defray the obvious argument, I will break down the chance as follows:

- If you are going into a startup, you are taking the chance that the startup will do sufficiently well that your equity actually has enough value to compensate for the lack of salary (and that's not necessarily within your control)

- If you are going into a company, you are taking the chance that your lifestyle won't scale to meet your income. If it does, you won't have as much flexibility when you do want to do a startup.

The salient point here is that, with a company, the result of the gamble is completely within your powers

3) Relationships: You build relationships with hundreds or thousands of coworkers, on top of the umpteen companies you interact with on a daily basis, who have other skills that may be of help later on. I still call on some former coworkers and others for help with certain things they were strong in, and vice versa. It's hard to build that rolodex at a startup.

I probably could write a point-by-point rebuttal to the original post

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

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I agree, though you do need to make sure you choose a good startup. There are still startups out there that view developers as interchangeable cogs, where you can end up with the worst of all worlds (no stable paycheck, no real autonomy, uninteresting work). One thing I did notice - it can be a little risky to spend a long time at a single startup that fails. I worked for a startup that did fail (and was a little cra…

It does go away later in life, but I personally think 2 years at a job is not a bad idea (of course I am biased because that's what I'm doing).

You certainly want to take advantage of the low cost of 20's living. That is definitely a big asset. But if you can save up some money working first, that really extends your runway. I can have that cheap cost of living for 2 years while making a real salary, and save the difference. Now my runway is quite long.

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

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post #13

I agree, though you do need to make sure you choose a good startup. There are still startups out there that view developers as interchangeable cogs, where you can end up with the worst of all worlds (no stable paycheck, no real autonomy, uninteresting work). One thing I did notice - it can be a little risky to spend a long time at a single startup that fails. I worked for a startup that did fail (and was a little cra…

I would love to move to Mission Beach, San Diego! Best surfing place I've ever been to [1]. However, I assume, that there is more interesting stuff going on in Silicon Valley.

Right now, my plan for the summer is to couch surf around a bit in Palo Alto first. Then, if I find nice people I will offer them a small but fair monthly payment so I can use there kitchen and bathroom and hang up my hammok in the garden. Has anyone tried this before? Any tips? Looking for a couch surfer? I'd like to bring down my expense to the minimum of what is sustainable, healthy and productive.

Can you use the Stanford library and Wi-Fi for free? You can at MIT but here in Munich the Wi-Fi is locked for non-students/alumni. Also, according to Phd-comics, there is a much free food there as at MIT, right?

[1] I learned to surf whites with a long board there within a few hours. The best thing is, that you can walk instead of paddle because the water is so shallow. This way, you can surf all day long, even as a rookie. Also, board + wetsuit are $10 whereas in San Francisco I couldn't find anything cheaper than $25. In San Diego they even let you bring back the stuff any time you want, with free pick up later the day.

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, we're helping dozens of startups hire, and I think every single one uses source control, some have failover servers, and I'd the majority have dev/staging environments (I haven't looked at their code bases, so I don't know how well documented the code is). That said, you're right: Startups do focus more on getting things done and making sure people actually want what they're building, sometimes t…

And not all big companies use source control; let alone failover servers and dev/test/prod.

Exactly. Also, they may suffer under the "not build here" syndrom. I heard this is true for Google.

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

#26

As much as I enjoyed working at a startup and watching it go from debt to massive profit, I definitely don't think it's for everyone. Or even most people. It takes a tremendous amount of drive and passion to deal with the negatives of working at a startup. Low pay, odd/long hours, uncertain future, non-existant code base... For many people, taking that junior programmer job at the big corporation is much closer to th…

> Low pay, odd/long hours, uncertain future, non-existant code base...

This sounds like programming in grad school!

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

#27
The best of both worlds for me is to work for a new division or product inside a large company. This way you get some of the start up type leverage and exposure, but have some decent processes and people in place to learn from. Also you have the stability of the constant income to pay off student loan debts.

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

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post #24
post #13

I agree, though you do need to make sure you choose a good startup. There are still startups out there that view developers as interchangeable cogs, where you can end up with the worst of all worlds (no stable paycheck, no real autonomy, uninteresting work). One thing I did notice - it can be a little risky to spend a long time at a single startup that fails. I worked for a startup that did fail (and was a little cra…

I would love to move to Mission Beach, San Diego! Best surfing place I've ever been to [1]. However, I assume, that there is more interesting stuff going on in Silicon Valley. Right now, my plan for the summer is to couch surf around a bit in Palo Alto first. Then, if I find nice people I will offer them a small but fair monthly payment so I can use there kitchen and bathroom and hang up my hammok in the garden. Has…

Yeah, Mission Beach is an excellent surfing beach, good for beginners but also attracts some good surfers because it's a wide open beach break in the usually crowded SoCal surf scene. I was about a 5 minute bike ride away. The downside is that this is pretty much what I spent my time doing. Keep that in mind any time you consider taking any advice from me ;)

Unfortunately, PB and MB are no longer anywhere near as inexpensive as they were when I was living there, so it's not quite the slacker paradise it used to be.

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

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"what I’ve found in talking with older friends in other career paths is that the further you go down one path, the harder it will be to make the switch to another. The weight of momentum can be overbearing, especially when the skills accumulated in most industries outside of tech are little transferable to tech startups. "

The whole article is good but this one is the one that rings loudest to me.

Re: Why to Join a Startup After Graduating

#30
It's more valuable to start with a huge corporation and then move to a start-up according to my personal experience.

At a large software/Internet company, you can learn best practices, how organizations work, politics, real team work and real challenges in large scale. And can make more connections that will help you for future opportunities and company name might be a great reference.

But 1-2 years later, you have to move on. Because clearly, you'll see that you've started almost nothing, never practiced some fundamental architecture patterns (since your large scale cant scale with them), shipped less code. You are living in a comfort zone that you obviously cant even take a tiny risk.

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