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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Post by lenkite »

XorNot wrote: post #310
cratermoon wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they had just responded to the outbreak instead of trying to cover it up initially and been a little more open with the international community they would have been lauded for their handling of the situation Are we talking about China or the Trump administration?

Seriously. The amount of concern over what China, at the time regarded as a belligerent untrustworthy power, fails to explain why western governments took so long to take any mitigating measures and then some continued to actively oppose mitigating measures while still insisting this is somehow something China is going to actually fix on their end. The tone and tenor of the investigation has always been to find a way…

World governments were formally advised by the WHO to not impose any travel restrictions. The WHO also laughably said there is no "human transmission" of the virus.

The WHO chief just blindly parroted whatever the CCP said for nearly 2 months while the pandemic spread and got out of control. That man deserves to be stripped out of his position. But he will face no justice for the many, many lives he has taken.

The entire timeline of tweets and statements by the WHO is open on the internet - don't see the need to quote them verbatim here.

The only nation in the world raising flags was Taiwan - and their warnings were ignored until it was too late.

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Post by lucb1e »

bluepirate wrote: post #328
markdown wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father watched a video on youtube from such a doctor, and now not only thinks COVID is a hoax, but that so is HIV. The PCR Pandemic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LToSnpz8A4 Fuck these lone doctors and fuck Youtube for spreading their unfounded theories through the general population, putting millions of lives at risk.

The author is CEO of ATOS Therapeutics. He has invented seven FDA-approved pharmaceuticals which have helped over 80 million people. He has been cities over 9,000 in various works. I heard his company's breast cancer treatment had a major win last week - phase 2 so successful that it's being halted and moved immediately to phase 3. I don't think it's fair to put his work in the YouTube loon bucket.

> phase 2 so successful that it's being halted and moved immediately to phase 3

Doesn't that sound super fishy to you, too good to be true, doesn't sound like it would be legal if you think about it for a second, that sort of thing?

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Post by Negitivefrags »

travisgriggs wrote: post #335
ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

Is it just me or is there a deep irony here? I find it interesting that one of the oft maligned attributes of religious communities, especially those in authority in said communities, is this same behavior. Do good things and be open, but also very much protect the brand. As a naive westerner I've hear/learned/assumed that Chinese communism/society was areligious. When described as you (OP) put it, it seems that abst…

You could say the same thing about many companies.

Would you say “Microsoft is just a corporate religion”?

I think a religion is about more than just an entity that tries to avoid negative PR.

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Post by Judgmentality »

mattnewton wrote: post #336
fiftyfifty wrote: post #239

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This is the kind of behavior you see in organizations where the penalty for making mistakes is overly severe, the only recourse for people is to lie and cover-up the truth at all costs. This is how projects at some companies continue despite being way behind schedule and overbudget until eventually the weight of the truth brings everything crashing down.

The old story of the Chinese general Chen Shen comes to mind: Apparently he was running late due to rainstorms and the penalty for appearing this late to the Qin emperor was execution. Since that’s the same penalty for open rebellion, he decided he might as well try that too. And that was the beginning of the end of the Qin dynasty. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Sheng_Wu_Guang_uprising If the penalty for lying…

> And that was the beginning of the end of the Qin dynasty.

Not what I was expecting, but still a really interesting story.

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Post by refenestrator »

hayst4ck wrote: post #261
refenestrator wrote: post #222

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Because there's no upside and guaranteed downside. People are accusing them of building the virus in a lab with literally zero evidence. Give the US a bunch of raw data to spin and it just makes that easier.

> People are accusing them of building the virus in a lab with literally zero evidence I don't think there is a lot of evidence for malice, but there is definitely evidence worthy of contemplation: https://project-evidence.github.io/ Here is a study from 2007: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2258702/ > In this study, we investigated the receptor usage of the SL-CoV S by combining a human immunodeficiency…

Yes, it's a virus lab and existed for years. The accusation that Covid-19 came from there has no evidence besides "china bad" and "I've seen a lot of movies".

I guess I should have specifically said covid-19 rather than "the virus", but I thought that would be clear from context.

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

lenkite wrote: post #341
XorNot wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. The amount of concern over what China, at the time regarded as a belligerent untrustworthy power, fails to explain why western governments took so long to take any mitigating measures and then some continued to actively oppose mitigating measures while still insisting this is somehow something China is going to actually fix on their end. The tone and tenor of the investigation has always been to find a way…

World governments were formally advised by the WHO to not impose any travel restrictions. The WHO also laughably said there is no "human transmission" of the virus. The WHO chief just blindly parroted whatever the CCP said for nearly 2 months while the pandemic spread and got out of control. That man deserves to be stripped out of his position. But he will face no justice for the many, many lives he has taken. The en…

There is a reason, the U.S. has traditionally had a U.S. WHO representative in China since the first SARS outbreak, well until TRUMP. Trump's removal of the U.S. presence "on-the-ground" made it easy for the Chinese gov't to delay the real-time reporting while they struggled to figure out on their own whether they had something really serious to worry about or not. Covid-19 is not ENTIRELY Trump's fault, but he sure did just about everything he could to make it worse.

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Post by ghomrassen »

nickysielicki wrote: post #241
ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

To me, both the official explanation and the conspiracy theory are both embarrassing for China and the CCP. SARS was supposed to have originated the same way -- in these disgusting third-world wet markets. The CCP shut them down after SARS for the sake of optics, but was too inept to "up" their health standards, and they conceded to pressure and reopened the disgusting third-world wet markets again. If this was some…

The lies aren't for the international community, it's for the people of China.

If the wet market is at fault, it can be blamed on the local party leadership, which was easy enough to do because they continued to screw up during the early stages of the pandemic. One memorable one is when they hosted a massive dinner for 20000 people in close proximity when it was starting to really heat up.

If it's the lab, that squarely falls on the national government, which in all things can and must do no wrong.

A poster above said it perfectly, when your authority comes from competency, you need to show your competent. The CCP has this precarious position in China where the people support it strongly because they've been doing a good job giving people better lives, at least from their perspective. If that turns badly in any way, it could break them.

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Post by toyg »

_nkl1 wrote: post #90

"Deep concerns" over Navalny's poisoning. "Deep concerns" over Navalny's imprisonment. "Deep concerns" over the coup in Myanmar. And now "deep concerns" over China refusing to provide data to the WHO.

Wanna land a Chinese beach instead? Diplomacy is a difficult game.

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Post by known »

ttz wrote: post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

Every ruling party/regime across the world does that ;) https://archive.is/5oNEY

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Post by ghomrassen »

makomk wrote: post #252
esja wrote: post #31

I am yet to see a single piece of evidence which rules out the lab leak hypothesis. Meanwhile the circumstantial evidence in favour of that hypothesis (including China’s behaviour) continues to pile up. We may never discover the truth, but I really hope we do.

There's also evidence pointing to the theory that the virus didn't originate in China and came in on frozen food being false - in particular, the fact that when traces of virus have been found at frozen food processing facilities the evidence pointed to it being caused by the outbreak there rather than vice-versa, the lack of major outbreaks causing hospitals to collapse in other countries at the same time as Wuhan,…

Up until a few weeks ago, it was the only governmental line you'd hear here on the news in China. Frozen salmon coming from Norway...
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