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US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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Isn't it well established by now that Covid-19 was present in samples taken in Europe and elsewhere way before Wuhan incidents? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

In science, a single test of a single sample is a galaxy away from "well established."

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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post #279

What's weird is that a number of WHO investigation team members a week ago said China was very transparent, cooperative and helpful. Some have tweeted against the NYT who spun the WHO team's accounts into anti-China propaganda. https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/13605511085659... https://mobile.twitter.com/TheaKFischer/status/1360590441817...

Peter Daszak isn't impartial, and quite frankly his presence on the team alone makes its conclusions suspect. From this [1] excellent investigation into the subject from New York Magazine: > Peter Daszak, is a zoologist and bat-virus sample collector and the head of a New York nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance — a group that [...] has channeled money from the National Institutes of Health to Shi Zhengli’s laborator…

Wow, they're really assassinating his character here. They're taking a metaphorical interpretation of a painting that he made out of context, and spinning it so it seems like he's a religious nutcase. This is the paper in question, it's nothing like they're making it out to be: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7087640/

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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post #53

First gen Chinese, grew up in NA. Have contact with relatives "on the ground". My own experience: Don't ever trust the Chinese government on issues that could potentially involve the reputation of the party. Note that I'm not saying don't trust what CCP says, ever (sometimes they actually do good things) - just not on issues that involve anything to do with how the world might perceive them. Which is exactly what thi…

The funny thing in this case is there was no reason for the CCP to cover this up. If they had just responded to the outbreak instead of trying to cover it up initially and been a little more open with the international community they would have been lauded for their handling of the situation.

The ongoing trade war with the US provided at least some reason to cover it up, they weren't yet sure how bad it was and it would give the US additional leverage in negotiations. The government certainly started being more open about the virus after a deal was signed on January 15th.

Obviously I wish they hadn't done this, but they didn't arbitrarily try to hide it.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

#325

Um I shared analysis 15 days ago from a doctor who did an in-depth analysis and determined it to be from a lab. My post got one comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25965751

My father watched a video on youtube from such a doctor, and now not only thinks COVID is a hoax, but that so is HIV. The PCR Pandemic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LToSnpz8A4 Fuck these lone doctors and fuck Youtube for spreading their unfounded theories through the general population, putting millions of lives at risk.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testin...

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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post #279

What's weird is that a number of WHO investigation team members a week ago said China was very transparent, cooperative and helpful. Some have tweeted against the NYT who spun the WHO team's accounts into anti-China propaganda. https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/13605511085659... https://mobile.twitter.com/TheaKFischer/status/1360590441817...

Peter Daszak isn't impartial, and quite frankly his presence on the team alone makes its conclusions suspect. From this [1] excellent investigation into the subject from New York Magazine: > Peter Daszak, is a zoologist and bat-virus sample collector and the head of a New York nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance — a group that [...] has channeled money from the National Institutes of Health to Shi Zhengli’s laborator…

Besides it seeming like this guy has a big conflict of interest (but do the other members of the team?) that quote from the paper is wild. On one hand I like it. On the other hand, the conspiratorial religious ideas start to look slightly less wild in this context.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

#327

Isn't it well established by now that Covid-19 was present in samples taken in Europe and elsewhere way before Wuhan incidents? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...

It's bizarre that Reuters thought that this preprint was fit to report on. 8 months later, it still hasn't passed peer review. If a Mar 2019 introduction in Spain were real, they would have found more cases and been able to sequence them, instead of just getting a little blip on a super-sensitive assay.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

#328

Um I shared analysis 15 days ago from a doctor who did an in-depth analysis and determined it to be from a lab. My post got one comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25965751

My father watched a video on youtube from such a doctor, and now not only thinks COVID is a hoax, but that so is HIV. The PCR Pandemic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LToSnpz8A4 Fuck these lone doctors and fuck Youtube for spreading their unfounded theories through the general population, putting millions of lives at risk.

The author is CEO of ATOS Therapeutics. He has invented seven FDA-approved pharmaceuticals which have helped over 80 million people. He has been cities over 9,000 in various works. I heard his company's breast cancer treatment had a major win last week - phase 2 so successful that it's being halted and moved immediately to phase 3. I don't think it's fair to put his work in the YouTube loon bucket.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In modern discourse we use the acronym CPC rather than CCP. Unless of course you are intentionally invoking red scare era politics. Edit: ah rip karma. who was I kidding. Why would you ever promote neutral discourse when you can take sides.

“commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

It should actually be CPC (communist party of China), but the acronym in English has become CCP.

Re: US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuhan origins

#330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just assume the ccp default mode is to cover up, even when there is nothing to cover up. When legitimacy derives from competence rather than from election, you better never have any high profile incompetence.

You're being down-voted but this is exactly what my friends who live in China have told me. People were also downvoting big time back in March when I and others were saying that the numbers China was quoting were made the heck up. Suddenly the western media realizes that's true[1] yet we don't see a mass back-lash against China as a result... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55481397

Down votes or up votes don't matter to me - I'm just glad (and surprised) that what I thought was basically an innocuous "IMO" comment generated so much discourse.

Isn't this the point of public forums? To encourage discussion?

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