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Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#91

Post by jozefjarosciak »

Hi Folks,

I have archives of comp.lang.c group going back 35 years (1986-2021) and when I saw this news I decided to prioritize this one and just started synchronizing it into my archive. In a couple of hours, you should be able to see all of the posts ever made to: comp.lang.c group over at my Usenet Archives:

Here it is, enjoy: https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.c&y=0&r=...

BTW. I just reworked entire architecture of the site, which unfortunately also means I have to re-synchronize over 1 billion posts back into the archive. That will take some time, but anyways, just wanted to tell you that I prioritized this group. Enjoy!

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#92

Post by musicale »

centimeter wrote: post #82
andybak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

Even if this were true, it would be better if the archives were not available for some decades after the original posting. I’m OK with my content being analyzed by historians, but the definition of “historian” presumes some professional detachment that is not available short years after the post was made.

> but the definition of “historian” presumes some professional detachment

The idea of everything you've ever posted becoming part of a giant "digital permanent record" used by data brokers, advertisers, credit bureaus, trolls, nosy people, etc. is somewhat unappealing.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#93

Post by ineedasername »

hvocode wrote: post #65
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> " ... complete archive of ... Usenet " sotto voce > Usenet postings were never meant to be permanent. I was there in its heyday and nobody expected their postings to live beyond the spool expiration lifetime.

Yup. I've met a number of old farts like me who were not thrilled when what we assumed was transient had been archived. I'm not a big fan of the opt-out model of archiving where archivers just assume that they have implied consent to grab anything and everyone from everyone who hasn't explicitly said no.

It's not much different than a recording of a conversation. I wouldn't implicitly expect the recording to be destroyed, or expect the law to require destruction when the recording was made on equipment I don't control.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#94

Post by ineedasername »

coldtea wrote: post #76
andybak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

> Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. People don't live or structure their lives to satisfy historians...

People also don't live or structure their lives to satisfy those who had a written conversation and want the copies burned.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#95

Post by ineedasername »

centimeter wrote: post #82
andybak wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

Even if this were true, it would be better if the archives were not available for some decades after the original posting. I’m OK with my content being analyzed by historians, but the definition of “historian” presumes some professional detachment that is not available short years after the post was made.

It has to be available for some period of time after posting. Where would you draw the line? Hide them after a few weeks? Months? Years?

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#96

Post by nvr219 »

jozefjarosciak wrote: post #91

Hi Folks, I have archives of comp.lang.c group going back 35 years (1986-2021) and when I saw this news I decided to prioritize this one and just started synchronizing it into my archive. In a couple of hours, you should be able to see all of the posts ever made to: comp.lang.c group over at my Usenet Archives: Here it is, enjoy: https://usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=comp.lang.c&y=0&r=... BTW. I just reworked ent…

Nowadays if the answer to my problem isn't in the first stack exchange answer in the first google result I just give up! Imagine having to post on usenet!

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#97

Post by cmroanirgo »

andybak wrote: post #75
hvocode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I've met a number of old farts like me who were not thrilled when what we assumed was transient had been archived. I'm not a big fan of the opt-out model of archiving where archivers just assume that they have implied consent to grab anything and everyone from everyone who hasn't explicitly said no.

Dunno. History matters and historians would probably strongly disagree. Some things are more important than you think. Too much gets lost too easily.

And yet Eric Schmidt says (2010)* we should change our name... Because everything is always kept

https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/google-ceo-eric-schmid...

* It's ironic I'm referring to a 10yr old piece to refer to the danger of continuous archives.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#98

Post by sn41 »

ineedasername wrote: post #93
hvocode wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I've met a number of old farts like me who were not thrilled when what we assumed was transient had been archived. I'm not a big fan of the opt-out model of archiving where archivers just assume that they have implied consent to grab anything and everyone from everyone who hasn't explicitly said no.

It's not much different than a recording of a conversation. I wouldn't implicitly expect the recording to be destroyed, or expect the law to require destruction when the recording was made on equipment I don't control.

I don't think that these are equivalent. This issue is similar to saying that every conversation will be recorded by default, unless you opt out of a recording beforehand.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#99

Post by hackmiester »

u801e wrote: post #44
marcus_holmes wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I used an actual usenet group must have been around 2000 or so. I have no idea how I'd set up NNTP and get to a group now. Not that it wouldn't take me long to work it out, but I'd have to start from first principles.

I was regularly posting to several groups as late as 2014. But setting up access is no different than configuring a mail client.

I haven’t manually configured a mail client in well over 10 years.

Re: Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned

#100

Post by simonblack »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #42
_kst_ wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google had the most complete archive of comp.lang.c (and the rest of Usenet). That archive is now inaccessible. Users posting to comp.lang.c through Google Groups were a problem -- especially with the recent bug that caused GG posts to comp.lang.c++ to have the "++" quietly dropped. If Google made its archive of all Usenet newsgroups available, I'd be fine with them dropping the posting interface. (And some users act…

> " ... complete archive of ... Usenet " sotto voce > Usenet postings were never meant to be permanent. I was there in its heyday and nobody expected their postings to live beyond the spool expiration lifetime.

Maybe so, but those of us who try to restore or emulate old stuff from those long ago times actually have to rely on contemporary information from Usenet because the old documentation no longer exists.
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